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Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?

Posted by Kayaman 
Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 10:20AM
I tend to think that Bob Marley isn't really reggae ....if compared to every other reggae star....Bob's music has it's own particular sound...and Ive never heard reggae that sounds like his..there by Bob Marley's Music is it's own categorie ...Ive listened to Bob's Music ever since I can remember ..and still love it to this day...but his form reggae is very different then anyone else..Other stars have tried to imitate his style ..but are never able to!...Bless
ureek-a dub
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 10:56AM
It's reggae.
J
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 11:02AM
Well, to me, reggae is about the message. Marley has the message in his songs, and so do all the other artists. Yes, they sound different, but o you really want to hear the same beat all of the time? I mean a house is a house is a house if you know what i mean. I dont know if that is how the saying goes, but i think you get it.
-Jacquie
pat
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 11:20AM
horse is a horse of course of course?? is that the saying?

I think Bob's music is reggae.. what else would it be?
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 11:24AM
Agreed...if you had to Categorize it ..His music would be reggae...but if you listen closely to his music you will hear ...blues, Jazz ,rock, R-and-B, and reggae...He mixes all music into one!...he was truely a genius.....And I also agree that reggae is partly to do with the message ...but there are artist that use the same blueprint of reggae ....Bob's blue print is his own......
Irie_i
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 12:05PM
He didnt mix that into it. Chris Blackwell did to make it more adaptable to white people.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 12:15PM
I think it was Bob also. I remember someone in some documentary telling that he'd walked in on Bob when Bob was listening to a Bee Gees album. Asked why he was listening to such crap, Bob reportedly replied 'These guys are selling millions of records - they gotta be doin something right', and he was trying to figure out what exactly. And I'd tend to agree wth Kayaman, Bob's sound was different form the rest of JA music, sure. Because he was very consciously tryint to target his music to the widest possible audience, and also perhaps because he had a stable band which had the time to develop the sound of it's own. I was listeing to the 'Natty Dread' album earlier, and some of the playing on that album is seriously funky! And I mean funky as in 'funk music', not just generally funky or groovy.

One love,

Rootz
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July 29, 2004 03:33PM
The Lee Perry produced version of Natural Mystic is as 'reggae' as anything. I'd like to hear some of the bigger songs stripped of their added guitar licks etc. Kind of ironic they would add wandering bluesy guitar lines to make it more whitey palletable, it's not like the Blues originated in Eric Claptons garage is it.
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 03:39PM
There has been a release of Catch A Fire - the original recordings (2nd of the deluxe edition of the album), which didn't have the added guitars and other effects that were putted into the final mix in the Island studio's by at least Blackwell and Marley. It contains the 'clean' recordings, recorded in JA, before they went to Island. Pretty good if you ask me.
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 03:40PM
Oh yes, my answer to the original poster's question: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?

Yes.
Irie_i
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 08:35PM
Yo, I want the original recordings.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 29, 2004 10:50PM
You're so right BMC. That second album is the original Jamaican recording before Bob brought it to England to be overdubbed. I like the original better than the released version. I'd be happy to burn it for anyone, just e-mail me. Also there is a Bob Marley DVD called "Catch A Fire" which is about the making of the album. Some of the original artists that overdubbed the album are interviewed along with Bunny and Blackwell, etc. It is really enlightening. Very cool to see some of the processes that take place in making an album. I wish there was more material like that for other reggae artists.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 12:12AM
Very well put Rootzilla!!...and that 'DVD" "Catch a Fire" ...is a can't miss....
yms
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 01:44AM
An interesting point to note about the "original recordings" is that they were mixed by Errol Brown in 2001 which in my eyes doesn't really make it the original "catch a fire". It certainly does strip away those overdubs that were added for the original Island release and does sound very nice. On a personal level I don't think the overdubs detract from the music anyway but it is damn nice to get an idea of what they might have sounded like if they had've been mixed in JA at the time.

BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 02:33AM
Yes that Catch A Fire DVD / VHS is very interesting. Very cool to see the stuff they added to it to make it what it is.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 11:10AM
"An interesting point to note about the "original recordings" is that they were mixed by Errol Brown in 2001 which in my eyes doesn't really make it the original "catch a fire"."

A true. It's not the original 'Catch a Fire', it's an image of a 'Catch a Fire' that might have been. I've only heard the stripped version once, and I gotta say I liked what it sounded like. But I like those Island versions too, the overdubs are very good, and while they add a certain 'unauthentic' (from a JA purists' point of view) element to the music, I think it's a beautiful, musical element. It's nice that now we have the choice, so we have the possibility to listen to the version that's best in tune with each individual's personal vibes.

One love,

Rootz
jbwelda
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 11:52AM
is bob marley reggae?

dont you mean, is bob marley *yard*?

if that were the question, then i would say, in most cases, no.

but if the question really is the former, then definately yes.

but its interesting to note that while most of what the world thinks of as "bob marley" (eg: the island releases) were truly international recordings, there was still some latter day "yard" releases from him, starting with the lee perry productions of rastaman live up and blackman redemption marley put out on tuff gong 7"s. way different from the "confrontation" versions and definately a yard feel to them. same way with the tuff gong 12" punky reggae party, the tuff gong 12" redemption song and "zion express" (actually a very rootical mix of zion train) and that doesnt even mention things like rainbow country, natural mystic, all the lee perry "soul rebel sessions" etc stuff.

so while to a large degree marley wasnt "yard", he still had his roots and all you have to do is walk around kingston and ask about him; youll find most everybody respects him and appreciates the way he opened up the reggae market to the world; and while he may never have attended any yard dances or performed at any yard dances (that i know of), IF he had shown up at one and said he wanted a turn on the mike, i bet everyone in attendance would have passed out with surprise and glee, and whoever the evenings scheduled guest would be would gladly and willingly turn over the mike to him for as long as he wanted to hold it.

so to ask "is bob marley really reggae" is a non-starter: of course he was reggae. i would venture to say, if not for bob marley (and chris blackwell and island records and before that trojan records, also started by chris blackwell) none of us would be at snwmf and there probably wouldnt be a snwmf and no one outside of jamaica (or the west indian immigrant community worldwide) would have ever heard of reggae.

thats the way i see it anyway.

one love
jah bill
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 01:05PM
"It's not the original 'Catch a Fire', it's an image of a 'Catch a Fire' that might have been"

True, but I'd say it's also the closest we will ever get to hearing the originals and just mixing does not involve adding music, so in a way we do hear the original music.

"It's nice that now we have the choice, so we have the possibility to listen to the version that's best in tune with each individual's personal vibes."

I enjoy both of 'm a lot and am glad I own both. Great album, in both versions, which do sound quite different and the 'original recordings' contain an extra track, High Tide Or Low Tide.
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 01:12PM
Make that two extra tracks, just heard All Day All Night and realised that one also isn't on the Island issue.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 01:18PM
"while he may never have attended any yard dances "

Got a tape of a Jungle area Socialist Roots session dated May 24, 1980 in which both Bob Marley and Jacob Miller are in attendance and have special requests called out to them. Unfortunately, they never pick up the mike, but Nicodemus, Ranking Trevor, Jah Mikey, Dillinger, and Jah Benjie keep it lively anyways . . .
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 01:58PM
That's interesting in light of the fact that, by May 24, 1980, Jacob Miller had already been dead for two months. At least that explains why killer miller didn't take up the calls.....
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 02:11PM
Jacob Miller indeed passed away on March 23 1980, so the date of that session must be incorrect.
jbwelda
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
July 30, 2004 02:27PM
thats one example of why using soundtapes as historical documents is problematic fish. and how do you know marley was in the house? you dont...all you know is some guy chatted something that leads you to think he was. ive heard them chat all kinds of stuff that wasnt so, so im skeptical of soundtapes as sources of anything but the music being played.

one love
jah bill
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 02, 2004 01:11AM
Is Bob Marley really Reggae ? Well, that depends on your understanding of reggae. In my experience with reggae music over the years, i know that reggae music can be best be seen as a parallel to something like A.O.L on the internet. It's a combination of music styles combined into one distinctive sound. That's why under reggae music there has been closely related styles like Ska and subclasses such as lovers rock, rock steady, early dancehall, ragga and most recently dancehall which most people now understand to be Reggae etc. That's the beauty of Reggae. I think this is something that is quite unique and very valuable coz speaking for myself as a die hard reggae fun, i can enjoy different kinds of music channeled into one reggae format. To illustrate my point, When I'm in the mood of romance to enlightment and eventually to dancing, i can listen to Gregory Isaacs then Bob Marley and on to Elephant Man which are all classified as general Reggae. Try that with Heavy Metal. I also think you should also try to listen to some of the early works by Bob and you will find them to be different. one such CD is Bob vs Lee "scratch" perry. "The condensed complete upsetter collection". Also most Roots Reggae musicians have a sound of their own. If I was walking by a music store and heard a song by say Burning Spear that i hadn't heard before, i wouldn't need to see the Cd case to know it's him. This to me is his own particular sound and i've never heard anyone else sound the same and I'm not even sure i would know if someone was trying to imitate him. And not just Burning Spear but many others like Ijahman Levi, Bunny Wailer, Wailing Souls, Culture, Michael Prophet, Don Carlos and so forth and so forth.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 02, 2004 02:20AM
Ska is not reggae. It is a clearly distinct musical style with different rhythmic basis. Rocksteady, on the other hand, is very difficult to distinguish from early reggae on purely musical terms.

"as a die hard reggae fun, i can enjoy different kinds of music channeled into one reggae format. To illustrate my point, When I'm in the mood of romance to enlightment and eventually to dancing, i can listen to Gregory Isaacs then Bob Marley and on to Elephant Man which are all classified as general Reggae. Try that with Heavy Metal."

I'm sure a die hard metal fan could give you a counter-example from his/her collection. And state that 'all reggae sounds the same' to complement your prejudice with his/her own.

One love,

Rootz
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 02, 2004 04:47AM
For metal, romance, enlighting and dancing is quite hard to find, because that's not part of the 'metal'-culture (just as you wont find many reggae tunes dealing with death in the way some metal bands do), so for example I could rephrase it:

When I'm in the mood of melodie to speeding and eventually to ending in a dark mood, I can listen to Dark Tranquility then Slayer and on to Samael which are all classified as general Metal (black metal, speed metal and doom metal or whatever these sub-genres are called nowadays).

These examples are easy to give in various forms for practically every genre and doesn't make reggae more special than other genres. It is more special to me, simply because of taste.
BMC
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 02, 2004 04:49AM
" dancing is quite hard to find, because that's not part of the 'metal'-culture "

Unless headbanging and slamming is conscidered dancing ofcourse. :-)
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 02, 2004 05:09AM
"Unless headbanging and slamming is conscidered dancing ofcourse. :-)"

And I think it is. Different moves for different folks! And I'm sure you can find enlightning (whatever that means) in metal lyrics as well, not typical, but those bands are there. And as for romance, well...

One love,

Rootz
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 03, 2004 12:56AM
Why didn't you?

One love,

Rootz
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 03, 2004 01:31AM
He thought about it, and then he did.
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 03, 2004 01:43AM
Good for him.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 03, 2004 01:47AM
Where are all the words?
Smart words, clever words,
witty words, words of wisdom,
words of hope, words of love.
I find none. 
I turn off the light.
I sleep.
I dildo.
Fish
Re: Is Bob Marley Really Reggae?
August 04, 2004 04:33PM
Yeah, I should have checked the dates on Miller before posting - for some reason I was thinking he died a year or two farther into the eighties. But you are right, JB, they are in general not a solid source of information (the dates in particular are notoriously imprecise, I was just surprised that this one was marked to the day) . . . but they do suggest, even if they don't prove.
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