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quotes part 2

Posted by bun n cheese 
bun n cheese
quotes part 2
March 01, 2004 11:14PM
Bob seh, "dont you pick and refuse me, cause the things people refuse, are the things they should choose, do you hear me, hear what I say! Stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head corenerstone"

i feel that by picking on and refusing gays and lesbians their god given rights, that society, mirrored in rasta dogma, is fulfilling it's own prophecy and hypocritically turning the prejudice on itself.

bless up all cornerstones
Re: quotes part 2
March 01, 2004 11:36PM
good job mr bunncheeze
just my 2 cents
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 05:46PM
i feel if god said it is wrong then it is so. animals dont do it you never see a girl dog with a girl dog.or a guy dog with a guy dog .just something to think about i have no hatred for anyone who lives the life they love smiling smiley only wish them the best.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 06:00PM
Yes, But Man said God said its wrong, Not God to man!



Happy Trails
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 06:35PM
what is this judgement?

why do you have to compare the next man or woman to your blueprint of right and wrong?

why cant you accept that some people are different or outside of you current understandings? maybe you are the ignorant one.

have you not listened to a song and not cared for it, then 6 months or a year later listen to it again and think "what a great tune!"

people grow and learn, that is the only thing that is important.

let it be know that Christianity is a minority on this big rock.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 06:44PM
Christ is the head cornerstone.
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 06:47PM
that depends on who you talk to.

jews, muslims, hindis etc would disagree with you.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 06:59PM
as would agnostics and atheists.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:14PM
First off the reason I made that statement was that it literally is refering to Christ, its not just my interpretation. Of course jews would disagree with me as they are the builders refered to in the statement! In fact you got the quote all wrong. "The stone that the builders refuse will always be the head cornerstone" was a statement that Jesus said directly to the pharisees, naming them the builders of the faith, yet predicting that they would never accept him as the messiah. I don't mean to come across all jugdmental cause I'm not. Just don't quote a scripture spoken by Christ himself, and then tell me it has nothing to do with him! I am not trying to shove "religon" down your throat, just trying to shed some light on the orgin of the scripture. As a matter of fact most modern christianity has traded the spirit for men's traditions. Peace and love to all, don't get caught in the dogma of "religon" open your heart to the spirit so one day we may all be free. And in this judgment there is no partiality......
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:26PM
These guys are just trying to bait you and bust on you B. Bombocloot! MF!
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:27PM
Nicely put Forward, I don't know why people here have troubles hearing about christ. Do you all realize that much of the lyrics that Bob Marley, and our other favorite reggae artists originated in the bible? The references about Halie Selassie and Ethiopia also originate from this same book. Do you also realize that Jah is believed to be the second incarnate of Christ in the flesh? Wise up folks, and don't bite the hand that feeds you...another quote for ya............
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:39PM

HA HA

i love it when somone says "wise up"

when they mean

"you should believe what i believe"
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:43PM
not true, if you love this music so much, you sound at least know about it.....
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:50PM

i guess you're right.. that wasn't true. THIS is true:

i HATE it when someone says "wise up"

when they mean

"you should believe what i believe"


and i don't see what loving or knowing about any music has to do with that.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:51PM
it is entirely possible to love the music and not subscribe to the religion. just because one listens to reggae does not mean that they are religious. i can enjoy a french movie yet i am not french.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:55PM
Uhhh...Yeah, it's got a good beat and I can dance to it!!
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:56PM
You are right, and hate is a strong word. I meant no disrespect in my statement, I just feel that knowledge is important in a discussion.
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 07:58PM
"Yeah One Love mon. I pride myself on tolerance and acceptance. And all consciousness. Love up the Muslim, Love up the Jew, BUT BUN OUT DI CHRISTIAN! Cause it's obvious to everyone that they are wrong."

WRONG!

WISE UP, WISE UP
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 08:03PM
It so funny how they keep calling it religon....."Uh..we be jammin mon, pass da spliff......
How you feeling tonight?
IRIE!!
I just LOVE reggae music."
Different strokes for different folks.....
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 08:16PM
i dont bun out Christianity, if that is what you are implying napabink.

i abhor intolerance and mashing of human rights.

let it be known that the bible also commands us to have slaves.

how you should intemperate that statement is the bible is subject to the time is was written. interpretation is the key.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 08:23PM
Yeah, sure it does...point us to the scripture that commands us to have slaves.
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 08:31PM
Leviticus 25:44-46 : "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

Leviticus 25:44-46 : "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

Exodus 21:20-21 : "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property"

Exodus 21:20-21 : "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 08:31PM
maybe "commands" was too strong of a word.
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 09:07PM
***tap tap tap*** is this thing on?
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 09:25PM
First off sorry for the length, if you don't care don't read it. These are my thoughts on salvery and early Jewish culture.
Middle Eastern culture was already in place in society when these things were written and were the general practice of the known world at that time. Slavery never received God's endorsement. Remember that these guidlines written in those books of the bible were the beginings of the jewish faith and their contact with Yaweh and justifably made things better for the slaves that were already owned. Before these were written there were no rules about obtaining and treating slaves a master could kill a slave and nothing would have happened to him at all. Also in man's imperfection God often permits fallen mankind to do things He does not necessarily endorse. Culture and mens hearts evolve much slower than God wants, if he just made everything perfect it would take away our gift of freewill. He wants us to discover these truths and rights for ourselves, and remember that mankind was and still is A WORK IN PROGRESS!!!! Does God approve of our present situation with one billion of the world's population living in poverty while millions live in unnecessary luxury? Is He pleased to see the prospering one-fifth of the world's population consume 86 percent of the world's wealth while the poorest one-fifth consume just 1.3 percent? To ask these questions is to answer them. Many of us wish these injustices could be remedied, but with all our intelligence we have not been able to set up an economic system that can bring about a fair distribution of the world's material resources. Under communism and socialism all but the government bureaucrats become poor. A free enterprise system produces great wealth, but the rich keep getting richer and many of the poor keep getting poorer. And when the government brings in controls, some of which are necessary, it not god inevitably brings with it a new set of evils and injustices.

The responsibility for the wars, injustices, and crime that have marked human history LIES WITH US--our cruelty, our greed, our pride, and our prejudice. Biblical patriarchal society was imperfect because it was made up of imperfect people. But given the conditions of those times in the open areas of the Middle East--periodic drought, sparse vegetation, and roving bands of robbers--it was probably as conducive to the well-being of the less fortunate as anything devised in later times. It certainly was far better than anarchy.

The patriarchs were not heads of nations and therefore were in no position to change their culture. But through their contact with God and the teachings of christ they came to realize that all human beings possess an essential equality. So that slavery would finally be put to rest.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 10:12PM
I'm so glad my master won't be punished, because after that rod beating I did recover after only two days. Crazy shite huh?! Kinda glad I'm not a bondmaid. Even a Jamesbondmaid for that matter, for were not those poor wenches slaves as well?
Have "we come a long way, baby?"
I gotta go , I hear the master approaching.....hemina hemina
My quote is thusly:
A little levity goes a long waiety!
Peace, AAA(the formerly souless one--I got a two fer at the Dogma store!
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 10:55PM
ForwardZion, I appreciate the time and energy you have put forth to create this dialog. I appreciate your educated views and articulate ways to convey those views. Yes, ForwardZion, I appreciate you as an individual and as a contributing member of this group.

I think the main point that we see eye to eye on can be summed up in one word, freewill. It is this that drives me to raise this topic in the first place.

I have a gay friend who is against gay marriage. He is for the right for a gay couples to choose marriage, however.

This is not a society where church and state are supposed to co-mingle.

We should not pin out spiritual beliefs on others. They should have the right to choose how they want to live without the hindrance of religious fanatics.

Another point I was trying to make is that if you believe what these people are doing is wrong, writing songs about burning, shooting and generally killing these people is not the way to make that point.
People who do this bear a large responsibility for reinforcing the resolve for gay people to claim their rights. Effectively pushing this movement to fruition. A more productive way to stop the social tension produced by claiming of gay rights and to curb the prejudice instilled by religion is to talk to each other, see each others point of view, accept that these people are our brothers and sisters and learn why people do what they do. Compassion is such a powerful tool.
talk, see, accept, learn, love - this is the way to mash down ism and skism.
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:08PM
I agree with you 100%
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:16PM

awww.. bun & zion, back together again

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TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:17PM
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:43PM

dammit isn't anyone going to thank me for these excellent links?
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:44PM
nope
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:45PM
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:46PM
thanks for the clue to making a hyperlink!
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:47PM

wait, i just meant as friends.. it wasn't a gay thing.
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:48PM

ok no charge for the hyperlink info

now like my links.. they're good.. turned a somewhat crabby thread into a good ending
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:51PM
yeah, you are the real icing on the metrosexual cake.
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 05, 2004 11:54PM

why?



wait.. what?
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 12:11AM
bun n cheese
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 12:15AM
that was such a funny episode!
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 12:40AM
bnc-
sorry bredda for puttin' words in your mouth. it's a heavy load I&I carry, and sometimes I just want to fling it off and defend my faith in a manner that goes against my own beleifs. it's like cops and robbers. the cops can't bus dem gun in a crowded area, while di gunman heart of stone open fire.
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 12:48AM
I just like to stir up the pot everynow and then, keepin sure we are all on our toes...big respect to all that discuss on this board.........Forward, that read like an essay man. How did you find the time to write that, I am impressed...
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 12:53AM
Yeah mon, put it all on paper from now on. Just kiddin' bud. I'll sit and listen to you anytime.
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 01:17AM
Slow day at work.
Re: quotes part 2
March 06, 2004 08:28AM
Forward Home....let the potter Iturnally mold us into perfection. And out of this modern economic and religous crisis that enslaves both rich and poor. Some are chained to poverty while others are slaves to vanity. The game has always been the same. All are in slavery.......go a tell babylon we want to be free.
ForwardZion.........
Things change but basically they stay the same
poppatop
Re: quotes part 2
March 07, 2004 11:20PM
Sorry I came into this so late in the game....nice budgies link!! somebody from Cheeko post that? Thanks for the levity...
Re: quotes part 2
March 08, 2004 09:55PM
yo TR Is it just me or could all your posts be more negative
Deer goodness man Lighten UP!



Happy Trails
TR-808
Re: quotes part 2
March 08, 2004 10:11PM

> yo TR Is it just me or could all your posts be more negative

let me give it a try:

i think your head is clouded from patchouli.

so since you made a suggestion for me, let me offer one for you:

take a shower and wash yourself (then you won't need all that patchouli). then try go outside WITHOUT a hacky sack. if you can, you've washed enough. if not, repeat the process until you can.


terrific!

you're right! i do feel better about being positive!

:-)
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 01:42AM
And we wonder why there's no way to peace.
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 01:46AM
PKW-just stay in school mon
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 05:31PM
Yea man Im usually right about these sort of things.
=)
Much love Much peace Much of both to the deciessed!
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 05:37PM
pkw - is the diseased or deceased?
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 05:39PM
pkw - is that diseased or deceased?
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 08:15PM
at least he's consistent, right?
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 08:16PM
PKW- been enjoying your positive influence to this board.
-Stevo
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 08:21PM
Stevo, I see you have come out of your camo, going by the first name now. Last night was a ram jam session. If only we could get Dave to bust the one drop and some steppers........
napabink
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 08:32PM
Yeah, no more alter ego, no more playing left handed, no more hiding in Napa.
Stevo
Re: quotes part 2
March 09, 2004 08:49PM
Any reggae drummers livin' in Napa?
pale ryder
Re: quotes part 2
March 11, 2004 10:23PM
A wealth of knowledge comes with a wealth of responisbility...........
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