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Rasta to conceal anger

Posted by bun n cheese 
Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 05:44PM
How come all of the Rasta's I meet are so hateful and angry? Like they use Rasta as a tool to suppress their internal hatred for everything.
They come with peace and love, but if you try to get them to talk about it, they get all bent out of shape and hostile. I see it time after time. This board is no exception. Seems false to me. Peace and love comes from within.



Post Edited (08-13-04 10:47)
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 05:56PM
interesting bun n cheese - my contact with rastas has been limited but i have found them to be anything but "hateful and angry". now i have to say that almost all of my contact has been of the sharing of the chalice type and not having in-depth discussions so maybe that explains it. i would hope your experiences are the exception. regarding the board most rasta who post here (imo) are willing and open to share. there has been an exception to this as we all know but i don't think the exception is rasta, just angry.. even jahmeek (bless his heart, where are you jahmeek?) stays rather calm even when i badger the heck out of him.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:02PM
I guess using the word "all" is a bit overboard.

Example, this Ras is talking to this guy, who is asking about his faith. The guy gets a little testy and instead of trying to have a discussion with him, he opens his hand and slaps this guy across the head and says "I am selassie's child."

I have seen this type of thing happen over and over again. No conrtol over their anger.



Post Edited (08-13-04 11:03)
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:04PM
Upon more meditation, It seems to be specific to white Rasta converts.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:24PM
Well, there you go. White people can't control their anger.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:30PM
Shut the hell up Chimino........kidding!
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:30PM
I don't think that is true. I think that for some reason, very angry people cling to rasta in an attempt to be peaceful. But the underlying anger shines through and to me, makes them seem false.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:32PM
Just an observation, seems to be a phenomenon. Like how Mormon kids eat up reggae.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:32PM
yeah I hear you. just following up your broad generalization with one of my own :-)
Greedy G
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 06:53PM
U Brown's not a dread. Well not these days anyway, I saw him 6 months ago and he's a baldhead. Still a great deejay too.

Respect

G
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 07:00PM
i get the impression seeing "white rasta" that they have a superiority complex (feel they are better than others) not in the same was as true rasta. i have never had contact with "white rasta" (as far as i am concerned that term is an oxymoron) but just watching them interact and move around that is the impression i get so i would not be surprised to see a "white rasta" sissy slap someone.
jbwelda
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 07:20PM
nobody said u brown was a dread that i saw.

dread <> rasta and rasta <> dread.

and bnc he did control his anger. he didnt punch the guy.

there are very few true rasta in the world if you ask me. any true one would defend his beliefs or just say you dont understand and walk away. true rasta just dont care what the heathen think.

one love
jah bill
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 07:37PM
They weren't true blondes zoki.
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rustfan
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 07:46PM
Bun n Cheese,

I gotta hundred bucks that says the slappin' "Rasta" you saw was 12 Triber.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 08:06PM
bummer, the shootout club have locked us out zoki, that was supposed to link straight to two big ol' fat gals that Ray would probably love.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 08:12PM
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to see just a picture of your girlfriend, Bufo.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 13, 2004 08:43PM
Could be, rustfan, could be.
sillysquirt
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 12:09AM
Not rastas that I find superior acting, but haole (white) dread hippy/reggae types seem to be somewhat like that. I used to look like a island/skater girl, with the 'look' that I used to love until it started popping up everywhere. So I sort of grew up and morphed my vintage natural look to combine some more feminine attributes and ever since then I get the dirties looks from the above described types. Like I am now the scum of the earth, even though I used to look just like them and have the same ideals (presumably). This has baffled me.
sillysquirt
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 12:46AM
What I am saying rootz is that I can only be excepted by some as God fearing earth concious political activist type if I look slightly bag lady ish or have patches on my indonesian made handbag.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 01:09AM
Yeah, I got your point. I'm pretty much in the same boat with you, although I wouldn't describe myself as a political activist, more of a spiritual intellectual searcher of my own way. But nevertheless I prolly share a lot more ideas with the natty haired, flea-maket dressing types than what I look like with my shaved head an clean, intact clothes.

One love,

Rootz
sillysquirt
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 01:13AM
Funny how you can be part of the group one day and people will stop and talk to you even when they don't know you and the next week you get looks like your a mall whore even though you haven't changed inside.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 01:16AM
I don't really care. Cause I also know a lot of those people concerned about appearances don't have much substance to their 'ideologies', or at least they never stopped to think them through themselves, they just adopted a coll rebellious style. I don't really feel the need to advertise my 'consciousness' or whatever you want to call it. I dress and look the way that's comfortable for me, that's about it.

One love,

Rootz
sillysquirt
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 01:37AM
I used to feel like I had to prove how much I felt or believed in something by how I dressed. But now I have mellowed out my style slightly. I have learned that many people will listen to your ideas on what needs to be changed when you don't look so much extremely different from the rest of society. My ex used to wear a shirt with 60 holes in it (greatful dead) and grungy pants. Who listened to his ideas? Poeple who already thought the same as him. How can you reach others who are unknowing and brainwashed by the media when you look like my ex? Not that you can't express yourself, but capitalist socity propaganda brainwashed people need a little help to see the light. I am not saying you have to look like a cookie cutter copy of everyone else in American society. For me I was just tired of associating myself with wannabes who started dressing like how I had been dressing since I was a little kid. Plenty of authentic people still out there, and I love them.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 01:59AM
Agreed. Good night for now (after I check the other threads, that is).

One love,

Rootz
Bufo Bufo
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 02:02AM
Pyjama pants.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 05:20AM
no watch no face
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 14, 2004 03:45PM
one of reggae's messages is "One Love" and it gets spouted all the time. this only applies apparently to those who look just like the group (have dreads, wear white muslin wraps, etc). Because I like to brush my hair every day and throw on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt to run to a show apparently makes me less worthy of listening to reggae and reasoning with dreadies. It used to drive me insane. Now I realize the people who spout one love but don't practice their words are all about the image and not about living the real life. I am not rasta by any means and do not claim to be so, but I feel as though I have more kindness and respect in my heart for anyone regardless of anything than most people claiming rasta do.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 06:29AM
Sounds like another case of California Dread Syndrome to me.
sillysquirt
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:37AM
Is it a common sickness? smiling smiley Tell me more.
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 03:52PM
Well give thanks for the ones that shun you- JAH is protecting you from something.
Out of curiosity, for those who apparently don't have 'the look' or something, how is it that you would like RasTaFarI man or woman to treat you? Are you saying that you don't receive even a simple nod of greeting from the I's? I don't mean this to be a belittleing question so hold off on the replies "like a human being', whatever. I mean really. If the I isn't a Ras what more do you have to share with the I's than a spliff anyway? What is it that you want from Rasta?

They say the eyes are the lights of the body--- anytime I feel like someone is not SEEING me for who I am I always make sure they just see I eyes. Extend yourself a bit and connect.
And if they can't, won't,- take heart. The loss isn't yours for sure.

Many are called, chosen are few and the false ones are abundant
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 04:32PM
"how is it that you would like RasTaFarI man or woman to treat you?"

With respect, as usually is the case.

"If the I isn't a Ras what more do you have to share with the I's than a spliff anyway?"

Maybe the meditations of somebody who sees the world differently from me? If one only reasons with people who agree, there is very limited potential to gain new understanding from those reasonings. Or is it so that the Ras don't see those who aren't rasta as worthy of discussion?

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 06:38PM
But see you are wanting something from Ras but what do you have to give?
Ya have to exchange....and when a Ras sees that you carry some wiseon He/she needs you will be welcomed
And that's not a bad thing but there are lots of 'energy vamps' out there and they try to prey on RasTaFarI
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 06:55PM
I see what you're point is, Sis. However, any such exchange (be it between Ras and Ras, Ras and baldhead, or baldhead and baldhead) is usually an uneven one: usually one side is giving more than the other. But the beautiful thing is, giving wisdom, you lose absolutely nothing. You don't give it away. So if someone approaches you with respect, why not educate them, even if they're ignorant? Is wisdom a trade, or is it a gift? On the other hand, if the rasta in guestion feels that s/he is so much above me that I'm nt wotrhy of their consideration, I guess I'm not missing much...

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 07:25PM
I hear the I rootz....
i am not trying to be snide....just encouraging the I and others to create their own 'gifts' to bear. Not just to Ras....to everyone! People always wanting but rarely looking to see how they can give
And that is what I am saying. If folks treat you like that, Ras or not, all haughty vibez...SO WHAT! What are you losing?
RastafarI greet everyone in loving kindness and highest respect. ras makes the I remeber your divinity and royalty, your worth.
Not make the I feel less than. that is not true Ras
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 07:37PM
"i am not trying to be snide....just encouraging the I and others to create their own 'gifts' to bear."

Gotcha. But most often those "gifts" get built from small pieces one collects from all around the world. I don't believe there's much "original wisdom", more of things learnt, experienced, seen, heard, borrowed, etc. Wisdom does not do well iin a vacuum, that's why I think any respectful and constructive communication is going to result in a positive outcome for all sides involved. Of course people are people, so sometimes you just get tired or annoyed, but even then there's a gracious way to tell people that... (I realise it is not always posible to remember that. So the other side shoud also remember bear this in mind.)

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 09:20PM
Greetings and thanks for the Reasoning bredrins and sistrins... RastafarI

Many interesting answers, and questions raised for some as well of relevance...
Now for most unless Sis April and some I would ask you to stop skylark & daydream...
Let's go to the fundamental questions... and don't take it bad. I don't put doubts on the I dem people in general but in the way the questions are asked and answered... In somehow...

You wonder why Rasta have anger, mostly as it seems white rastas ?

As every culture (in this broad term I include religions, spiritual movements, etc... as a sociological consideration... culture) Rasta is based on an historical process, affirms certain values and "truths" that are fundamental to the identiy.
Then as every spiritual or religious culture, it is affirming a certain amount of so-called irrational elements that are parts of a "mythical" background, founding this culture.
As every culture, it has a process of diffusion that is based on some of the whole cultural background elements more than the whole, and according to the soil will adapt differently. According to the circumstances and many other "factors"...
Now what would motivate the fact that one cultural group would be of only one essence, all members being replicas of the archetype you're idealizing ?

Ok, we are coming closer to a fact : idealization ? Are all Jews, all Muslims, all Socialists, all Ecologists, all Football Supporters, all Doctors, all Cops, all Old peoples, all Swiss (where I come from), all Papoos the SAME ? Cool and friendly, well generous and intelligent, communicative, ready to listen, avoiding to talk about worries not to disturb you and make you feel like you're wasting your time ?
(I did write all this "groups" because those are all "cultures".

Still Ok ? after this basic "socio-cultural" recalibration we can talk bout' this "rasta issue". What is then essentially, fundamentally and permanently the common reality, value shared amongst Rasta people ?
H.I.M Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Juda (you see I avoid the many titles to keep the I attention and focus on the thread), RastafarI crowned Haile Selassie I the reincarnation of Christ coming in his Kingly Character into the flesh of Selassie I. The Holy Spirit bredrins & sistrins... Ok this divine essence is already subject to different point of views... but still the common reality is around that. Having Locks become a natural process according to the nazarine vow but not a "must have"... a matter of faith & direction in life.

So now, in each one's life, when you come a new reality within yourself, you feel vulnerable, sometimes doubts and difficulties to accept opposed opinions. Are not some of the Rasses you met newcomers ?
Then you always wonder whether one is real or not... the questions is not about being real ? That is daydreaming... Do you wonder if other cultural groups are "real" or not... you just identify some people and that's it. So a Ras is one even if he's doing wrong things... or good ones. Jah judge him but he's still there...
So newcomers or longtime veteran, from a family tradition or a self-found way a Ras is a Ras... make sure !

Then coming to the last part, about white rasses. If you're a Rasta, you must come to the fact you're not anymore a white Ras or a black or yellow one. It's a universal truth... and you have to deal in one love and inity amongst all shades of skins because it's the heart that matters...
But it takes a certain time for some to live in this reality... that much the ethnical question is spoiling the real issue... black supremacy, white guilt, white considerations about you being a treator to "your kind", etc... reasons are many.

Then, being white in US or Europe means to have been raised amongst a society where culture is your freewill... and noone supposed to fight you about it ? No true... so why being Ras would be different ?
Now, all bredrins and sistrins worldwide are tested by questions and put to a "justification process" like no other religion or culture based on spirituality lives... Do you ever see people telling a Muslim Muhammad is rubbish ? Maybe once a year but not more ? Do you ever see people tellling a Buddhist all his spirituality is just rubbish ? Not much more that the other question.
But being Rasta, you have so regularly people considering your faith, beliefs and values are "childish" or "pure misconception"... they all seem to know about Selassie I when they always got to know quite only what has been said about H.I.M but quite never what H.I.M said.

This altogether should help those people honnestly wondering those questions. For those who ask those questions in a way to point a finger and spread a daydreaming sociology theory... This answer is enough I hope also ? Good meditations to one and all...

PS : Some want to be treated as if they were... what are you expecting ? There are codes amongst all cultures and you must choose your side... You can listen Reggae all day, not being rasta, balheaded, full of wisdom. But if two Manchester football team supporters with a shining red t-shirt cross on streets, they would also look on each other with a smile and maybe share a word even unknowing themselfes... no ? and two Jews wearing a Kippa crossing the street, you don't think they would share a word, a Joy ? and two Rasses ?
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 09:24PM
"So if someone approaches you with respect, why not educate them, even if they're ignorant"

Just to be sure that you feel that your real questions are getting sincere response,
It is less common for a Ras to be forward with there faith, to come with a 'listen to what I am teaching you ' vibe. It is most common that a Ras lives and lets live and will not desire to teach you anything.
If you come with a serious heart of pure intention to overstand, all you have to do is say "Ras, I have just begun sighting FarI and wonder what you might share with me."
Ya know- if you want respect from a stranger, how does that come? Can they just nod and acknowledge you, say blessings and that's enough? Or are you looking for more than simple 'respect' and actually are wanting to befriend these Ras', kick it with them, burn one down, and reason? Because that is looking more for friendship and brotherhood than 'respect'.
The guy at the bus station thinks he is showing you respect when he turns his eyes from you and turns back to his newspaper.
Be sure to be the reflection you want to see, if you catch my drift. Who can deny a heartfull, humble and gracious person?
Cultural, alot of Ras are very straight forward men. If you need or want something from them, be sure to say so. If you want counsel or good vibes, whatever, say so! Don't expect that they just 'grace' you with your secret desires. Which is something I really had to learn. "they should know'. well they don't or don't care- tell them what you need and they will care.
Zoki- no response necessary
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 09:35PM
Thanks for a thoughtful post, Dub Soljah. One question not directly on topic, but anyway:

Why do the rasta so often alter the Biblical "Nazir" or "Nazirite" vow into "Nazarine vow" or "Nazarene vow". This seems confusing to me, as I don't see the direct connection between Nazirs of the old testament and the Nazarene Jesus Christ. I don't think Jesus ever took the Nazirite vow?

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:08PM
lead a camel to water
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:11PM
Zoki, you wrote:

"2) even if you got it, you couldn't pass it away to other person...that other person, rather, should try to gain a wisdom by himself/herself. And Im afraid its a pretty long process in most cases."

That is what i was implying when I wrote:

"most often those "gifts" get built from small pieces one collects from all around the world. I don't believe there's much "original wisdom", more of things learnt, experienced, seen, heard, borrowed, etc. Wisdom does not do well iin a vacuum, that's why I think any respectful and constructive communication is going to result in a positive outcome for all sides involved."

Sis April:

I don't expect an ukonwn rasta to immediately behave with me like a long-time friend, no. And mostly I have very good experience with the few rasta I have met in my travels, 'nuff respectful Ras out deh. My comments were aimed at those few who suspect everyone who comes and wants to have a word with them is a door peep. Although I sorta understand that, as there are (as Dub Soljah points out) a lot of people who don't give rasta the same respect they would give to other faiths.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:33PM
Rootz...

This is referring to the part of the Bible where it is said that a Nazarine should not have his head shaved on skin by a razor. The choice of appartenance to this Nazarine vow is essentially because its one Tribe that developped a particularly strong livity and became an example.
In Daniel you find where the straight living come from... Daniel choosed to avoid all dead structures and alcools and got wiser for that because of more sharpness and also because Jah gave him more wisdom than all the youths of his generation. He was able to explain the dreams of the King and became so wise...
Isiah prophesied agains corruption and saw already the coming of the Revelations...
And so on...

Sister April... Good talk again !

Guidance...
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:39PM
Zoki.... You see... I was missing the whole ting but you're right to remind me to stick on what I said... next journey here as far as possible... Bless UP !
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:43PM
Gosh, some folks could use a reminder that "less is more", particularly before writing a ganja-induced essay of "reason".
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:46PM
"This is referring to the part of the Bible where it is said that a Nazarine should not have his head shaved on skin by a razor. The choice of appartenance to this Nazarine vow is essentially because its one Tribe that developped a particularly strong livity and became an example."

I am familiar with the vow and it's meaning in Bible, where it is prescribed for those who "shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD". But the bible does not speak of "Nazarine". It speaks of "Nazirite" or "Nazarite" (Numbers 6), depending on which translation you consult. And my question was why do the rasta so often refer to this vow as Nazarine or Nazarene vow, as it has nothing to do with the Nazarene, as far as I understand.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 10:56PM
Rootz...

It seems like some words hav a different spelling from the jamaican roots of Rasta... you see ? So I wrote that spelling which is common. But some other also speak of Nazarite... true ! Why, How ? I don't know at all...
That is part of the oral primordial foundations of this culture I would say.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:00PM
Yeah, I have just been wondering whether there's some reasoning behind adopting this spelling, as it seems potentially confusing to me, bringing the spelling so close to that Nazarene and thus somehow identifying the Nazarite with the Christ.

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:10PM
According to Strongs Concordance

Nazarene- a native of Nazareth

Nazareth- A. A town in Galilee (early home of Messiah's parents
Matt 2:23, Luke 2:39
B. Title of Honor to Messiah (acts 10:38, acts 22:8)

Nazarite- One especially consecrated to YHVH (JAH)
methods- Birth (judges 13:5)
Vow (Numbers 6)
requirements- Numbers 6
examples- Samson (judges 16:17)
Samuel (1 Samuel 1:11-28)
John the Baptist (Luke 1:13, 15)
Christians (2 Corinthians 6:17)

How's that for ganja induced essay
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:14PM
"How's that for ganja induced essay"

Pretty good, as it fails to give an answer to the question asked (or much information new to me either)... winking smiley

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:16PM
Here's another 'essay', sans ganja:

"Nazarite - (Heb. form Nazirite), the name of such Israelites as took on them the vow prescribed in Num. 6:2-21. The word denotes generally one who is separated from others and consecrated to God. Although there is no mention of any Nazarite before Samson, yet it is evident that they existed before the time of Moses. The vow of a Nazarite involved these three things, (1) abstinence from wine and strong drink, (2) refraining from cutting the hair off the head during the whole period of the continuance of the vow, and (3) the avoidance of contact with the dead.

When the period of the continuance of the vow came to an end, the Nazarite had to present himself at the door of the sanctuary with (1) a he lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering, (2) a ewe lamb of the first year for a sin-offering, and (3) a ram for a peace-offering. After these sacrifices were offered by the priest, the Nazarite cut off his hair at the door and threw it into the fire under the peace-offering.

For some reason, probably in the midst of his work at Corinth, Paul took on himself the Nazarite vow. This could only be terminated by his going up to Jerusalem to offer up the hair which till then was to be left uncut. But it seems to have been allowable for persons at a distance to cut the hair, which was to be brought up to Jerusalem, where the ceremony was completed. This Paul did at Cenchrea just before setting out on his voyage into Syria (Acts 18:18).

On another occasion (Acts 21:23-26), at the feast of Pentecost, Paul took on himself again the Nazarite vow. "The ceremonies involved took a longer time than Paul had at his disposal, but the law permitted a man to share the vow if he could find companions who had gone through the prescribed ceremonies, and who permitted him to join their company. This permission was commonly granted if the new comer paid all the fees required from the whole company (fee to the Levite for cutting the hair and fees for sacrifices), and finished the vow along with the others. Four Jewish Christians were performing the vow, and would admit Paul to their company, provided he paid their expenses. Paul consented, paid the charges, and when the last seven days of the vow began he went with them to live in the temple, giving the usual notice to the priests that he had joined in regular fashion, was a sharer with the four men, and that his vow would end with theirs. Nazarites retired to the temple during the last period of seven days, because they could be secure there against any accidental defilement" (Lindsay's Acts).

As to the duration of a Nazarite's vow, every one was left at liberty to fix his own time. There is mention made in Scripture of only three who were Nazarites for life, Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist (Judg. 13:4, 5; 1 Sam. 1:11; Luke 1:15). In its ordinary form, however, the Nazarite's vow lasted only thirty, and at most one hundred, days. (See RECHABITES.) "

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:20PM
Also Rootz... I just realized it...
Actually I am originally french speaking... and in french we say "nazaréen" that having maybe led to choose the Nazarine word which as you mentionned it is very common though...
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:26PM
"Well, as you might have known too, the original meaning of that sentence in Hebrew wasn't quite the same, there was a mistranslation of original Hebrew word for a rope, and the translators replaced it with the 'camel'."

Well, I didn't know that and I must wonder what the translators were smoking at the time...

I don't actually like the word "wisdom" too much, because it has that "air of dishonesty" you speak of. I would prefer "understanding", and even that only in very personal sense. But I stick to my point: the understanding is in small pieces out there, out in the streets, in the hospitals, in the books, on the lips of other humans, in the offices of Babylon, on records, in the churches, in books, in military camps, in bars and tea-houses, at dances, some of it was probably even at Woodstock, although having just watched the "Woodstock Diary", I wouldn't bet on there having been that high a concentration...

What is the idea behind the last aphorism? I see the other two, but that one has me scratching by recently shaved head.

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:33PM
The original Nazarites came out of Nazareth and so did the Messiah and that is why it is ok for them to be identified together. And more than that, the Incient Prophets had always prophesied that the Messiah would come out of Nazareth, or more specifically they said "They will call him a Nazarene".
Now InI know that the Vow of the Nazarite was still in full effect in that time. Even the Messiah's cousin John the Baptist was set apart as a Nazarite from before conception. 3 miraculous conceptions in the same family all with in 6 months or so brought forth under this Vow, from before birth.
Another note is that the Nazarite way is a form of priesthood authority. Yeshua Messiah and His majesty Haile I Selassie I hold every single priesthood authority on this earth. So they both in seperate flesh hold the Melchezidek, the Aaronic, the Levitical, the Nazarite and the Masonic, along with more that haven't been revealed to InI, I'm sure.
So He is Nazarite. He is Melchezidek. He is ALL things of light.
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:48PM
What do you mean by "original Nazarites", Sis? Samson is the first Nazarite mentioned in Bible, and I don't think he was from Nazareth. I very much doubt whether Nazareth existed in Samson's time.

"Another note is that the Nazarite way is a form of priesthood authority."

And no, at least not in the Biblical sense. Nazarite was a person who for a time (determined by the Nazarite him/herself, according to the text I pasted above, usually 30 days) dedicated their life to Lord. So Nazarite vow is not a form of priesthood. Neither is it something which Bible prescribes for anybody for life. As you can also see from above, apostle Paul took the Nazarite oath at least twice during his life and also ended it twice.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 15, 2004 11:59PM
OK, Zok, got you.

One love,

Rootz
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 16, 2004 01:32AM
It is a form of Priesthood because priesthood means being able to act in the name of Jehovah. And one of the biggest blessings bestowed upon the Nazarite is the gift of the Holy Spirit. Because the Nazarite is a clean place for that Spirit to dwell, the dread has an uncanny connection with the Most High- that is why I locks are often called I antennae, seen. Mostly highly directed by Spirit, most intune with the will of JAH and most able to act according to HIS will.
It most definately is a form of Priesthood. That is why John is consecrated to the Vow of the Set Apart One....if he weren't he would not be clean enough to confirm the gift of the Holy Spirit on to another. So Yes I, it is a Priesthood and that is why RastaFarI can bless ones and the blessings are really true and effective. That is why Rasta can heal and restore health in fullness. That is why the blessing of health and wellness by a Ras is a gift. Because through thir clean temple the Spirit can work, doing actions in the name of the Most High and commanding them therein. THAT IS PREISTHOOD. Commanding it so in JAH name and it becoming such.

That is why they say Rasta bless those before and behind him- because it is in his authority to do so.
Our RastafarI Bredren are serious priesthood holders and have a true authority, right and responsibility. Not only are the I's holders via Nazarite but they are conferred the Melchezidek Priesthood- the Highest on Earth- by confirmation of Spirit in their hearts and not from a lineage or birthright.
Sis April
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 16, 2004 01:50AM
Just FYI Roots-
from the Hebraic Aramaic Dictionary:
Nazir: seperate, i.e. consecrated (as prince, a Nazarite); hence, and unpruned vine (like an unshorn Nazarite);- Nazarite, seperate vine undressed
Nazar; a prim. root; to hold aloof, i.e. abstain (from food, drink, impurity, and even from divine worship[i.e. apostatizel], spec. to set apart to sacred purposes, i.e. devote.
Nezer: prop. something set apart, ie dedication (of a priest or Nazarite); unshorn locks; also a chaplet (espec of royalty) consecration, crown, seperation
Re: Rasta to conceal anger
August 16, 2004 02:17AM
OK, we're talking about slightly different things here, Sis. I'm talking about the Biblical concept of Nazirite, and you're talking about how that concept is interpreted in rasta. What I was stating that in Biblical terms, a Nazarite is not a priest, nor is the concept related to the Nazarene. Nor is any man required to follow the requirements of the Nazarite vow for their whole life. In Judaism it is a separation, as your linguistic info tells us, for dedication for Lord. I still don't see how these two concepts relate in rasta (Nazarite and Nazarene), because as far as I understand Jesus was not Nazarite (and he were, it would be another thing to make sense of: the son of God following rules of dedication to God set for man). What I still don't fully understand (partly as you didn't answer my question above) is this:

"The original Nazarites came out of Nazareth and so did the Messiah and that is why it is ok for them to be identified together. And more than that, the Incient Prophets had always prophesied that the Messiah would come out of Nazareth, or more specifically they said "They will call him a Nazarene"."

Who were the "orginal Nazarites"? And how does the fact that the redeemer is born in a town with similar name tie him with the Nazarite (especially as the Bible does not make connection between Christ and Nazarine)?

One love,

Rootz
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