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Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 08:38AM
Well... How was it?
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 10:49AM
I though it wasnt that good this year,it seemed alot of people did not even go like in years past
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:26AM
anyone care to give a bit more detailed account? i would like to hear it. selling half price tickets in front of the greek theatre last weekend seemed a bit telling.

one love
jah bill
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:38AM
The bad news:
Anthony B and The Abyssinians were no shows. No explaination was given, and there were no postings about it at the gate.
Attendance was down quite a bit from last year

The good news:
Everything else went as planned. Except for the Beenie Man appearance, MBRF had a distinct roots flavor to it, with Inner Visions, Iba, Bambu Station, Prezident Brown, Yami Bolo, Sister Carol and Morgan Heritage all playing on Sunday. I know MH's band got 'stranded' for the Saturday night show in s.f., but the full band was there in Monterey.

Highlights:
Bushman, Iba and Bambu Station, with honorable mentions to Prezident Brown, Ras Michael and Humble Soul

Most Interesting moment:
When Beenie Man said (during his press conference) that there has been a big misunderstanding because the term "BATTY MAN" does not mean gay people, but rather is a jamaican term for older men who go around preying on young boys for sex. He went on to say that what consenting adults want to do amongst themselves is their own business.....
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:42AM
WHA? I call bullsh*t.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:46AM
"He went on to say that what consenting adults want to do amongst themselves is their own business....."

I'm comvinced once he says that in a press conference in JA.

One love,

Rootz
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:47AM
thats what ive always understood the term to have originally meant. i was wondering when someone was going to bring that up.

>Attendance was down quite a bit from last year

now *thats* not strictly true!

one love
jah bill
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:47AM
Sorry, I meant down from the 8th "annual" MBRF....
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 11:48AM
So if Batty Man is not the term for a gay man, what does Lesbian mean in JA?
They use those two terms together. Guilt by association dat. Beenie Man is floundering.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 12:33PM
beenie is really getting fed what to say in public now, may b his lawyer or what ever but welcome to hollywood beenie. your deal with virgin records is really glowing now. live it up while it'z still burning for you. cha*
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 01:32PM
Don't mean to crash the party but I was not happy with this festival, for a lot of reasons.
1. money grubbers trying to charge $10 for I child to play in the kiddie area. they had 2 blow up things that I wouldn't let I youth play on anyway and a table with some glue and glitter. I brought I youth to this fest because a glorious play area for them was clearly advertised with no mention of cost.
2. $3 'cover charge' to enter the 'dancehall' lameness- or lounge I should say
3. NO ITAL at all!!! None~! Lots of hungry Ras around, fe true
4. I missed bambu stationsad smiley and though that is my fault, I feel like all the bands were playing at substandard level. Ras Michael was not on form, in my opinion, and slacked of binghi. Bushman did something where he played a short time then bailed off stage, and right back on again for another 5 songs or something. There just wasn't any fyah!
5. I defiantley don't dig the monterey 'rasta' commercialism scene. Little girls like 12 years old in tight, tight shirts with sacred flags and cloth wrapped over them- eyeliner and brown lipstick in place- shouting RASTAFARI. JAH- I am sure the vendors were quite happy. I have never seen so much bright-shiny-new 'rasta' cloths and such in one place at one time. IT IS DISGUSTING. Almost every baby had a stupid head band on or a wristband around their leg. Have mercy
6.The second stage held no appealing artists, imho. I did not at all like luna angel- infact she was seriously irritating. I had to leave, I had to go.
7. Israel Vibs- what happened here? They played like 4 songs! It seemed they were up and off in less than 20 minutes
8. Bushman was just so so
9. Beenie man was a serious disappointment to I- I have not seen him before and was *hoping* he would make up for the slackidaisical vibes but he didn't. He was vulgar- grabbing his crotch a hundred times. Doing some seriously *rude* moves to some women in the audience, ya know. He is so freaking falsity you can smell his rotteness coming a mile a way. I'm bummed I don't have any beenie man lp's or I could melt them down with a stare- just thinking about that sham.
10. The police presence was fairly heavy. The police or security ratio to the attendees was very high----really, folks had to scope it out before burning.
But I hear the bartenders were generous.
I will not be going back for sure. I did not like the venue much, the vibez were just odd and slightly depressing, and not one band was uplifting to I.- Oh- morgan heritage is just lukewarm. i think the whole show was just lukewarrm- JAH seh, they are not hot and they are not cold- I spew them out of my mouth.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 07, 2004 01:38PM
so let it be seen Jahmeek clearz his throat. nuff said. keep on moving* -RASpects+
kristina
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 06:54AM
sisajo,
i couldn't help but comment on your dissapointment. what reggae festival is not "commercial" from JA to NY to Cali? I was so happy to see red gold & green all over the place, especially on every type of person. & leave the girls alone- with tight clothes, brown eyeliner & lipstick or whatever...at least they are opening they are coming out & representing the different types of people who like reggae/dancehall- is not just for the "typical" rasta stereotype. It sounds to me your putting down my chicano culture- brown lipstick & eyeliner is very much what women in my culture wear. so if ya don't like it- don't look at it, don't comment cuz ya don't understand. I'd rather be at a festival with many different types of peeps than one where everyone looks alike. & Beenie Man is dancehall & he's always been a sexual type of guy- what did you expect? & why does every female diss luna angel? she's beautiful & talented, so don't be a hater.
It's okay to have fun & not be so uptight. there's a time for conscious & a time to dance! loosen up & enjoy life!!
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 07:19AM
"5. I defiantley don't dig the monterey 'rasta' commercialism scene. Little girls like 12 years old in tight, tight shirts with sacred flags and cloth wrapped over them- eyeliner and brown lipstick in place- shouting RASTAFARI. JAH- I am sure the vendors were quite happy. I have never seen so much bright-shiny-new 'rasta' cloths and such in one place at one time. IT IS DISGUSTING. Almost every baby had a stupid head band on or a wristband around their leg. Have mercy"

As far as I know, Rasta don't have monopoly on red, gold & green.

One love,

Rootz
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 08:30AM
rootz that is the stupidest comment I have ever seen you post
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 08:36AM
Straight I came to help bambu station and Iba perform first time in california. I really enjoyed inner visions too befor BAmbu and Iba. I used to love the bands MH Prezident Brown, Isreal etc. However, I've changed and know what does it for me or not. The reall vibes are bambu and Iba and inner visions who surely get put on at noon when no one is even there. Look out for a full west coast Iba and Bambu tour in mid november coming to spots like the ashkenaz, vets hall, six river breweries etc....mtneborecords.com
I really wonder what all of you expected with what you knew about the promoters, the artists, monterey(as a strictly conservative community) and festivals in california in general(no disrespect to promoters just havent enjoyed one fully, prefer the more intimate longer sets of a night show with the band I want to see!!
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 08:44AM
kristina- it is easy to jump on the 'chicano hater' labeling bandwagon. Or, even more creatively "don't hate". Unfortunatley- you don't know who your talking to.
I do not take blatant disregard and disrespect for InI sacred cloths lightly. One should never use a flag as a garment. I couldn't care less who like/loves reggae music. I give thanks for the truly multicultural vibes that reggae has fostered.....but there is a definate line that is crossed that can become a mockery of truly holy things.
Take the damn wristbands, the headbands, the rasta-basketball wear, whatever. But really now, don't ya'll have any freakin raspect at all? How would it be if we all show up to see barbara streisand and we all wear holy jewish caps?- even the women! Just to 'represent' ya know?
sister kristina, 80% of the people at that show know jack about RasTaFarI Makkonen Haile I Selassie I Holy Immanuel I. Yet their blinging ras colors and traditions and that is sacreligious.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 09:57AM
Sister. While i agree with you regarding your sentiments about this 'commercialization' business, I can't understand why you are singling out MBRF. As Eric pointed out, the crowd at a concert is going to be reflective not only of the culture that the bands bring to the venue, but also of the culture of the community that surrounds the event. Do you not observe that the crowd at a Midnite show in fairfax is markedly different than the crowd at a Midnite show in Santa Cruz (other than those of us who are at all the Midnite shows)?

And the 'fashion dread' thing is by no means limited to either Monterey or the people attending reggae concerts. The percentage of people who wore rasta colours at SNWMF was about the same as at MBRF, and i suspect that there are almost as equally ignorant of the teachings of HIM. Are you equally disturbed at seeing Aleen Bailey wear Ites, Gold and Green wristbands as she raced to the Gold Medal at the olympics? And artists are no different. Nuff of them wear locks and shout out 'jah' on stage, but don't follow the teachings....

And we must remember that the red, gold and green has nothing to do with the birthplace of the rastafari movement, Jamaica. Instead, it is the colours of the Ethiopian flag. You are vexed with the 'sacrilegious' hijacking of those colours by those who don't follow rasta, but there are lots of Ethiopians who are equally vexed at the hijacking of those colours by those who aren't Ethiopian.

The hair and the colours are just symbols and outward manifestations. But in the end, all that really counts is what is within your heart and soul. And we must all remember that life is a never ending learning experience. Today, those 12 year old girls are wearing lipstick and tight pants to go along with their rasta wear and shouts of 'jah'. Maybe that is the start of a journey that will lead them to a higher level of consciousness and understanding.
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 10:59AM
I fully hear what the I is saying Daniel. I, too, believe that the 12 year old girl is being turned on to a potential destiny....I think that is great. I am not trying to single out MBRF as far as commercialism. If you see, that the commercialism issue was a fraction of the original post I made regarding MBRF. The commercialism was hardly the worst thing, in my opinion, about this festival.
All the points the I made, I already overs. And I agree with what the I is saying regarding Itiopia and some of their sentiments. See, it is beyond that. Seeing Midnite in fairfax, regardless of the cultural make up of the crowd, or the amount of ites gold and green in the house, is composed of several elements. Right? Some of which may not be so ites but MIDNITE COME STRONG and conquer that out, anyway. Seen. So the bredren come with serious education and livication and, bredren you know this, all kinds of folks in the audience that you would think are so unconscious get awakened, enlivened, because there is a power present in that room.
All I am saying is that MBRF had no power. So please don't pick on one point I made....It is a collaboration of energies that make a festival shine. Shoot, I would settle for a dull glow, and don't feel like we received that much.
It is just my opinion, but I sure won't be going back.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 12:28PM
I had a chance to see Bambu station and Iba and i thought they were on target. They had a very positve and rootsy style.There lyrics was up to date about issues in these times.I am personally becoming a fan more and more of the artists from the Virgin Islands Sthomas/ stcroix/stjohn. They seem to be more authentic and pure right now in there style and music. I Also enjoyed Inner Vision band too. I hope there are more groups like these at the snmf in 2005.

bless



bluhouse357
Re: Monterey Bay
September 08, 2004 12:53PM
daniel said he was gonna try & get batch to play dis year* just kidding daniel ha he ha he -RASpects+
positive-vibes
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 06:25AM
when i asked why wasnt anthony b there they had told me he couldnt get a flight out of florida to make it for the show, it seemed as if the sound man was having lots of problems and peoples sets were much shorter because the stage was taking to long to sort after some artists so took up the time of others you started seeing posted times to be off the stage on the speakers, ive been to the last 4 shows and this one was by far the most unorganized, sunday had a good vibe going though. I enjoyed the show on that day just morgan heritage wasnt my idea of a closing artist maybe it was because i was so disapointed it wasnt anthony b whom i wanted to see more than anyone else and probably would not have went if i knew he wasnt going to be there. i enjoyed prezident browns set and sista carol really suprised me with hers she was jammin,i enjoyed the music being played alot more than her set at sierra nevada when she was there. mondays show seemed like people were playing 5 songs max and having to jump off the stage earl zero was good and mabrak but sets seemed short. I got lucky and got my tickets for 38.00 for the weekend pass they were selling them cheap to get more people out there at the ticket outlets. so thats not bad for what i got to see. i have enjoyed the years before so much that im going back next year if they do have a show. im the type that makes the best of things the vibe is within you know, I had a good time overall with friends who showed up and i hope next year monterey bay reggaefest will be like years before where every artist was like a headliner with lots of time to play. Blessings to all Cali Massive
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 07:19AM
sisAJoI, I wrote:

As far as I know, Rasta don't have monopoly on red, gold & green.

To which you responded:

"rootz that is the stupidest comment I have ever seen you post"

As far as I can see, my post was just a less wordy way of saying what Daniel said:

"And we must remember that the red, gold and green has nothing to do with the birthplace of the rastafari movement, Jamaica. Instead, it is the colours of the Ethiopian flag. You are vexed with the 'sacrilegious' hijacking of those colours by those who don't follow rasta, but there are lots of Ethiopians who are equally vexed at the hijacking of those colours by those who aren't Ethiopian."

My point was, red, gold and green are used by plenty of groups other than rasta, whether the rasta like it or not. They appear on flags of at least 13 African states and as far as I know are AFRICAN colours as much or even more than they are RASTAFARIAN colours. So it's oversensitive in my opinion to get upset about people wearing reg, gold & green wristbands. If I were to wear anything with those colours, it would have very little to do with rasta and everything to do with my love of the Mother Continent.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 09:55AM
and anyway - how can you pick out which stoopid comment rootzilla sez to be the stoopidest? like asking which fart is the stinkiest. =8{ )
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 10:23AM
You're right, dirt. Stupidity doesn't come in grades.

One love,

Rootz
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 01:07PM
This year at Monterey Reggaefest was probably the hottest weather ever! I must say that when I saw the small stage, I was wondering where the shade tarp was? It was like 100 degrees on stage. I think Dan's keyboard started melting. I drank about 5 waters bottles. Glad I brought a hat to wear!
Anyway, nice that a few people showed up to dance- Big up!
Will be posting the photos soon.
-a
j.p.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 07:28PM
even if anthony b and the abysinians had showed up, they would not have performed. b cuz they got "rules and regulations" I'm refering to the near onchore of Morgan Heritage. show ends at 10 sharp, no if ands or buts about it. For those of you who are not from the area. Monterey and the surrounding Communities are Waaaaaay conservative. I'm suprised the show is even alowed here.
j.p.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 07:30PM
oh yeah, by the way... Dub Against terrorism with Dubwize at the Aptos Club 09.11.04 peace
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 07:54PM
if they had shown up they would have scheduled it different. but as it was it sounds like their schedule fell apart anyhow (did i vibes really only do *five* songs?) so it could have ended up like you say, without them performing.

one love
jah bill
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 09, 2004 08:39PM
I'm not exactly sure JB but it was like 20 mintues or so
Re: Monterey Bay
September 10, 2004 04:10AM
Greetings California massives, I'm Grasshopper of inner Visions. I would really like to thank the Brethren and sisthren who made the trod just to see us perform at Monterey. I know how it feels to be disappointed sometimes when things are expected but at times it's just Jah works! We had a killer show lined up for you but never got the chance to deliver either. Seems as though someone had turned the clock backwards (laugh). Anyway, the rushing of artists on and off stage was because of curfews in the neighborhood. (especially on Monday) Officials were standing by just ready to pull the plug. I hope this explains a little bit about the problem. Bands can't give you their best under pressure of time.

For all the fans who complained that they had us on way to early for such a talented veteran band I say this. Even though we were not seen by many, the industry took notice and many contacts were made. (I'm sure we'll be back!) Even the promoter and his crew appologised for not realizing the power of our performance. I can't blame them though. They had not heared much about us before then. I bet they know now!!! (laugh
So you see, sometimes a disappointment can be a blessing! We opened the show but got great reviews. This is a good thing. Remember that Jah takes care of his own. Hope to see you massives again soon!

Nuff Blessings,
Grasshopper
P.S. True love begins at home. This forum is great but there is to much bitterness expressed at times. This world needs healing but it must begin with you and I. Use it to uplift each other with a more positive vibe. This is the true message of Rastafari Yesterday, today, and forever!!! Jah Bless all of you!
Re: Monterey Bay
September 10, 2004 04:41AM
By the way, Check out our site: www.innervisionsreggae.com
Also, you can get our music from www.ebreggae.com, www.amazon.com and www.cdbaby.com.

Again, Bless-up!
Grasshopper
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 10, 2004 09:45AM
>Anyway, the rushing of artists on and off stage was because of curfews in the
>neighborhood.

respect but this doesnt explain things very well. see...the promotors were aware of any curfew well beforehand, im sure it didnt come as a surprise. so, the problems if there were any cannot be blamed on the "curfew" per se...it must lie at the feet of those who planned and scheduled the bands. either that or technical difficulties may have postponed the beginning of the show or wasted the schedule as the day wore on. it was not the curfew itself that caused rushing of the lineup...or if it was that was down to poor planning to begin with.

its great to be positive but you have to be realistic too. thats why snwmf generally runs on time...it is well planned and then the plan is stuck to unless absolutely not possible (artist cancellation being the main problem there).

one love
jah bill
Re: Monterey Bay
September 10, 2004 10:18AM
Greetings Jah Bill,
Respect! I truly agree with what you say too! Sticking to a schedule would have really helped things.
About the negitive writings I mentioned before, I did not necessarily mean about just the festival comments. Sometimes I see personal shots taken at each other. Time could be better served dealing with something more positive. That's all!

Blessings,
Grasshopper
????
Re: Monterey Bay
September 11, 2004 11:24AM

I video taped that whole thing with Beenie in the press room: he is TOTALLY full of crap!!!!

He gave a great PERFORMANCE.
Unreal
Re: Monterey Bay
September 11, 2004 01:24PM
Jah Bill....What experience do you have in the production of a major show. For someone that talks as much as you do, you must be a pro!!
Re: Monterey Bay
September 11, 2004 01:36PM
Jah Bill's been producing major shows out of sacramento for years. His comment was right on the mark, and he actually talks much less than he really knows. If you think not, then perhaps you are being unreal.
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 11, 2004 03:00PM
talkin truth!
unreal
Re: Monterey Bay
September 11, 2004 11:35PM
sounds good
Re: Monterey Bay
September 12, 2004 12:59AM
they need to move the show where there is no curfew,like alpah blondy in 2001 playing late,now that the way it should be,any suggestions for a new palce,besides salinas.Maybe some small town down south
Re: Monterey Bay
September 12, 2004 02:53PM
I have gone to MBRF almost since the beginning and I am glad it is back.I was disappointed by many things but still like this festival very much.The energy was different,hard to explain.Maybe the intense police presence had something to do with it. It felt very wrong for them to be there,no matter the reason.I heard gangs are a big problem.The heat was a factor,to dam hot!The music was good for the most part.I agree with what has been said about that.MBRF is a real home-grown,back-yard roots kind of festival,no hip-hop style reggae,just ROOTS REGGAE,uncomplicated,etc.I thought the crowd was smaller especially on Sunday.Monday had a good showing.My opinion.Hope to be there next year.
j.p.
Re: Monterey Bay
September 13, 2004 12:08PM
more roots, less cops, no KDON radio b.s., 2002 was a dope show, it kinda hit a high point that year with the line up and vibe,I'm sure it can be done again...Irie
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 13, 2004 12:26PM
>Jah Bill's been producing major shows out of sacramento for years

all out on hwy 61

thanks daniel.

one love
jah bill
JahFire
Re: Monterey Bay
September 15, 2004 12:09AM
I for one have been to all of the monterey bay reggaefests to date- All in all Monterey Reggaefest this year had a positive roots atmosphere- There were however many exceptions. The best stage was not used- That is the gaden stage which could have easily accomodated the number of people there. Every act was roots and then came beenie man- Family vibes and all beenie man could talk about at 7:30pm was getting it on- Not cool at all- $70 for 2 day pass $45 for a day kind of steep- Although some places had half off tickets. 3 acts didn't show- come on now- Better luck next year folks. And for what it is worth, this year I attended RORT, SNWMF, and MBRF- and enjoyed SNWMF the most by far- SUPER IRIE-SUPER ITAL-SUPER POSITIVE- SUPER ROOTS- keep it up folks-
Big up to the DUBWIZE massive at MBRF- Prez Brown, Yami Bolo, Sister Carol (BIG BIG UP SISTER CAROL), Humble soul (should've been on thebigger stage), ISRAEL VIBRATION (Should have never been before Beenie man on monday- BIG UP I.V.)- Bushman, Inner Vision, and THE ONLY-Morgan Heritage.
sisAJoI
Re: Monterey Bay
September 15, 2004 09:26AM
I did forget to say that Sister Carol gave the best performance I've seen of her yet.....
JahFire
Re: Monterey Bay
September 16, 2004 07:29PM
Side note: I hated the fact that the moment that Humble Soul came on the small stage- Israel Vibration was begining their ever -so- short -set. There was nothing going on the small stage up until that point. Regardless- I missed humble soul in order to see a lackluster performance by a legendary group that was ultimately overshadowed by beenie man's stupidity in the end. Get the act together MBRF-
Re: Monterey Bay
September 17, 2004 10:34AM
I hate the two-stage thing.I miss too many great performances that way.One stage only please!!!!!
jbwelda
Re: Monterey Bay
September 17, 2004 11:07AM
i like the two stage thing at snwmf because it allows us to see pure reggae one place or another while the more "world" business is going on the other stage. sometimes there are conflicts, but its usually scheduled so that you can migrate and follow the reggae from one stage to another. thats not an accident.

one love
jah bill
Re: Monterey Bay
September 17, 2004 12:33PM
>2 stage a mus. i* visit to the river this year would have been so much more enjoyable if i* could just go find sum reggae to listion to @a reggae festival. @many times -RASpects+
JahFire
Re: Monterey Bay
September 17, 2004 09:05PM
See I don't hate on the 2 stage deal b/c sierra nevada does it right. MBRF had down time on the small stage for an hour (DJ time) before Humble Soul came on, which happened to be the same moment that IV was going on the other stage. I like 2 stages but the time could have obviously been managed better.
Big up to the irie roots scene at SNWMF!!! BIG UP THE PROMOTERS FOR BRINGING GENTLEMAN from germany
BIG BIG UP YOU PROMOTERS---\
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