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Does a jamaican backing band make difference?

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Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:00PM
Greeting, I would like to hear your thoughts on that.
I personally think that a jamaican band makes a big difference and adds a lot to an artist sounding.
In 2003 SNWMF had the the great "fully fullwood band" w/ the addition of jamaican film star Leroy "Horsemouth" Wallace on drums backing few artist such Johnny Clarke, late "dread at the controls" Mickey Dread and heptone Leory Sibbles.
In 2006 we had jamaican pioneers "the soul vendors" w/ legendary drummer Lloyd Knibbs and guitarist specialist Hux Brown backing amazing people like Willie Williams and reggae veteran Larry Marshall... they sounded exactly like 30 years ago.
Quality of Jamaican musicians are unquestionable. I also recall that late 90's the high priest of reggae guitar, Earl "Chinna" Smith, had his high times players backing people like Mutabaruka, Johnny Clarke and Earl Zero to name a few.
what you think? how much a jamaican band can contribute?

bless



Post Edited (02-22-10 12:03)
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:05PM
i agree totally.. reggae music is a music of the soul.. not just a music of reading notes.

i think JA musicians(or even JA heritage) have something within them that cant be translated over with just musicianship.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:06PM
I don't think where a band is from is so important - but rather their standing with the artist, knowledge of the material, etc... I've heard lots of poorly thrown together bands in Jamaica and from Jamaica, as well as some excellent bands from europe, south america, the Us, etc... However, the big issue with backing bands is that they are often thrown together and not given much if any time to rehearse. I personally would rather hear an artist perform on tracks than work with a poorly rehearsed or downright low quality band. Peace



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band makes difference?
February 22, 2010 08:12PM
Quality backing is key. Race or region has nothing to do with it IMO. check the Expanders, they killed at Sierra with a number of artists. Even when I saw them with Vernon Maytone, it became the "Maytones" since not only was the band instrumentally, timing wise etc., as tight as can be, their harmonies were exceptional. You think you're hearin some vintage 'Tones, or Mighty Diamonds, Abyssinians, etc. and you look up and it's this young white bredren vocally complimenting and holdin his own with Vernon perfectly.



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:14PM
It's true Ras James you can find bad jamaican bands as well but I'm referring to bands such Soul Syndicate, Taxi Gang, Roots Radics, Soul Vendors, High Times Players... not just any Jamaican band... people that been around for a long time... since reggae music was created...

bless
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:17PM
"the Expanders" are an incredible band I couldn't agree more... but don't tell me that they sound like Sly & Robbie or Lloyd parks and we the people band because they just don't...

bless
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:22PM
its a soul thing.. you just dont know..

is eric clapton on the same level as bb king?

is jimmy page on the same level as <enter next foundation bluesman>?

no..


its a soul thing.. has everything to do with the essence in which one was brought up..
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:30PM
Ok so that's like saying does a novice of any backround stand up to veteran legends of the genre?! Can Jah Cure compare to Garnett Silk? Would it make a difference if you had Gentleman as you front man instead of Eek-A? If the riddim twins back an artist and arent really feelin him or dont have great chemistry, is it going to be a better live show than if the said artist was backed by a band like Expanders who are his regular band, or are dedicated to learnin the riddims perfectly because they really love and respect the particular music and have great vibes from it?



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 08:37PM
yes off course a very big one



MR. PASSSSSH
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 09:03PM
Nice topic, and I go both ways---whenever you can see a seminal band such as the Skatalites. Roots Radics, Lloyd Parks Sly & Robbie---WOW.

But, I have been so very impressed by the crack bands assembled for this festival made up of non-Jamaican players---respect is due when it's due, and the backing I've heard for Prince Buster, Pat Kelly, Stranjah Cole & other has been so spot-on....
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 10:01PM
The backing band makes the difference, it doesn't matter if they are from JA but they have to be tight, sound good, have a wicked drummer and be RASTA!
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 10:07PM
Exactly. Good or bad (or just plain old average) bands can come from anywhere. Whether they're from Jamaica is so far down on the list of important factors for me that I wouldn't even consider it.

The thread talking about Lutan Fyah's tour with Quinto Sol backing has got me remembering their performance at SNWMF in 2008 backing a couple performers and playing on their own. Those guys from the barrios of LA absolutely tore it up, in my opinion, and I'd love to see them backing Lutan.


...word is bondage...
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 10:11PM
i think it makes a huge difference. while someone like the expanders can sound *like* a ja band, they dont really. its obvious they try hard and have studied the material but they are just lacking something. certainly better than many USA bands but just dont have it running in their blood.

only exception i would make to what the original poster posted was that soul vendors outfit was pretty weak. started out good but then if you notice every song they would just sort of lose any real feeling and drift off into kind of lazy jamming before attempting to fade out. pretty poor. but thats the exception that proves the rule. fullys outfit was an excellent example, they were great all the time, and with horsie on the drum kit that one year they were exceptional.

i have to add that a number of UK outfits are right up there with ja backing bands but of course most of the members came from the west indies to begin with.

theres just something that happens when you have musicians who have lived with the sound of real reggae from the day they were born instead of having picked up on it 20+ years into their lives.

one love
jah bill
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 22, 2010 11:07PM
i thought The Expanders sounded great two years ago and Leroy Sibbles sure sounded/looked pleasantly suprised as to how The Lions sounded last year at SNWMF. i don't think it is really fair to compare these bands to legendary Jamaican bands though, because in that case it isn't just that those bands are from JA, it is that they ARE Sly & Robbie or the We the People band - these aren't just any bands from Jamaica now are they? These are the pre-eminent artists in their genre, ones who have been pioneers of the form. Does their level of mastery have something to do with where they are from and where they cut their reggae teeth? Of course it makes a big difference, but there seems to be more to it than just that. The point about rehearsing with the singers/bands they are backing is also very important - obviously if the band lives nearer the singer, they can get more time together to get things right.

So, to answer your question - depending on who it is, the band from JA can add a lot to the mix, but it isn't absolutely necessary in my opinion. That being said, let's have only the highest grade of musicians available on the bill - there shouldn't be much to complain about on that one.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 12:05AM
I wonder if this certain "soul" or "ju no sais qua" that jamaican bands supposedly have can be detected with our eyes closed....

if we posted some unlabeled live reggae performances with different backing bands from around the world, could we guess correctly where the band comes from?



Post Edited (02-22-10 18:25)
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 12:20AM
To be considered a backing band with respect to this thread, does one have to assume that the vocalist(s) are Yardies? If not, I can think of some great manufacturers of Reggae music that are non Jamaicans.

The Slaves, The Solar System, Bambu Station, Roots Underground, Zioneers and the DAP trio, or, dare I say, Midnite to name a few. Likewise ASWAD, Steel Pulse and Misty In Roots.



Faith = Strength
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 12:25AM
Lucky Dube. Rootz Underground are from JA no?



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 01:40AM
I've found over the years that the Jamaican artists themselves normally don't care where the band hails from, as long as it's tight with their music, plays solid in a comfortable tempo for the vocals, and can give the artist the vibes when they're onstage. The people in the US who tend to have problems with the musicians being non-yardies are largely the promoters and the fans.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:16AM
One thing to consider is the large amount of recordings a relatively small group of JA musicians have done. Just looking at the albums Fully Fullwood lists on his website is amazing and that doesn't include the hundreds or thousands that were only available on 7". [www.fullyfullwood.com]
So what we perceive as authentic, can often be actually an individuals style/feel. It's not like rock music where there were lots of "authentic" drummers making recordings that future musicians learned from. In reggae it's Horsemouth, Santa, Sly, Carlton Barrett and a handful others. It's like if every rock/pop drummer had to be Ringo or Charlie Watts to have the "right" feel.

All that said, I'd sure like to hear The Fab 5 again!
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:23AM
"The people in the US who tend to have problems with the musicians being non-yardies are largely the promoters and the fans."

you mean the "reggaefans" of the world?
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:32AM
i think what stam is saying with that statement is that its largely a matter of perception and not something the musicians sense or feel. in other words, in the minds of the (typical cali im guessing) audience (and from promoters putting on the shows), if there arent dreadlocks on stage then its not authentic.

i think its not that at all and i am pretty sure i could point out roots radics from groundation without fail.

but to be fair in my youth i did sort of think that if there wasnt dreadlocks on stage then this wasnt an "authentic" band. then the more i learned the more i learned that most ja musicians rarely had dreadlocks. it was mostly the frontmen with the big dreads.

one love
jah bill
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:49AM
to add to what people are saying about the soul, vibes with the lead, and experience, I also simply enjoy it more when the band is enjoying themselves. This is kinda the same thing as the idea of having soul and vibing with the frontmen or women, but when you see a band up there that's smiling and dancing and interacting with each other and the crowd, it adds a whole new dimension to the vibe.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:55AM
Hey Treez, that actually sounds like a fun test - course what would I tell myself if I failed, so scratch that idea ;-)

Don't be scared JB - but I find myself agreeing with you a lot this week - must be the head cold ;-)... The Expanders, as much as I respect them for the backing works - not much beats seeing and hearing a band that you know is from Jamaica - especially when a couple of the guys have tams the size of the Superdome! I know, that sounds shallow but so it goes. And the little that I've heard from the Expanders as their own band, I aint gone wild for anything yet... open to though.

Now as tough as it is for me to do, I might need a swig ah' whiskey before I write this - to show I am not completely close minded - Stamina cover your ears - I sorta liked some of these milky-musical-moments:



[thanks to Trendski and his flying carpet]

And last thing, JB or anyone else - do you remember seeing Sugar Minot sometime in the late 80's - when he was backed by his Aba Shanti Band? That was a tough JA band from what I can remember...
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 03:02AM
I agree perception is huge to a performance - and there is certainly value in having the real thing (i.e. Jamaican performers), but that is only one factor of the many already mentioned here....rehearsal, stage presence, crowd control, and the most important...musicianship.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 04:52AM
Far East Band killz it everytime!!!!!
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 08:44AM
John granted it's not my favorite kind of music, but Rebelution sounds like they've been listening a bit, which is more than I can say for many of the other Slightly Stupored Cali-"reggae" bands. Still, imho it would behoove them to listen some more...

face you're absolutely right. When the crowd sees the people onstage having a good time with their music, it's contagious, and the positive energy they feel comes right back to the stage, and the artists, musicians and audience feed off each other's vibes...those are times every performer lives for.

Let me give you an example of some Bay Area 'gladness' on this general subject: a singing group (I won't mention any names, but it was plural for a central African nation) told the booker for Maritime Hall when he asked who was the backing band, that we (Root Awakening) were doing the honors. He said "no, that'll never do, a California band, what will the audience think etc etc" and offered the artists some more money to go for the band they recorded with in NYC (which included the great bassist Val Douglas). So the artists pulled together some of their dreadlock friends from the E Coast who happened to be in LA at the time (some were pretty good musicians, some not so much), ran through a rehearsal, and went on stage as the artists' backing band from NYC, as the Maritime advertised. Everyone was happy, esp. the artists, who not having to pay for the top musicians in NYC to fly out, pocketed the majority of the extra dollars the booking guy gave them. The booker himself, seeing all the dreadlocks flapping around on stage and knowing little or nothing about the musicians in NYC, was very pleased, as were all but the more discerning music fans in the audience. In fact they probably liked them better than they would the real NYC recording band, which many out here in dreader-than-thou land would consider 'baldheads'.

Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 02:55PM
Part of how convincing non-JA players will sound depends on whether or not they have strong grounding in R&B/soul/funk, 'cause if you just coming from a 'rock'
background you get....some of the indifferent banking bands and 'fratboy reggae' outfits mentioned.

But matter-of-factly, the greatest of studio/backing musicians out of JA haven't been dreadlocks, by & large.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 04:02PM
Wow I just looked out the window and saw a pork belly doin barell rolls and loop de loops! Hell already froze over by that time! @ Herb and John, comin round on thr Rebelution boys eh? See. My work is done here.



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 05:16PM
I thought that the roots revealers did a nice job behind Etana. Unfortunately I didn't make it to snwmf but caught them in Santa Cruz... I had never heard of them but they were tight and knew her music...
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 05:46PM
Is Roots Revealers a whole band? I thought they were performing as a vocal duo. At SNWMF the band that backed Etana (& the Abyssinians) was a permutation of the Yellow Wall band. Don't know who backed Etana in Santa Cruz. I didn't even know Roots Revealers were there at SNWMF last year. They've got very good vocals and some nice songs, and don't throw phony patois around.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 05:54PM
The band that backed Abyssinians & Etana wasn't Roots Revalers, that was just the duo from Texas who was part of that package (who BTW - have an excellent album out called Sweet Jamaica).

the band that backed them was a group put together with JA and CA musicians - Chellem on bass, Sandrum on drums, Brett on guitar, Pryce on keys, and another keyboardist from JA who's name is escaping me at the moment. Peace



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 06:08PM
ya you're right, Roots Underground are from JA, my bad. I thought they were hailin from Trinidad for some reason.



Faith = Strength
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 06:30PM
10 to 20 years ago, I would have said definitely: YES. Now, not so much.

Seems like there was a real difference that you could immediately feel and hear in the older backing bands that I recall from my earlier days as a reggae fanatic. I miss the consistently touring, always great bands/players that I saw in the late 70's through the early 1990's like the Roots Radics, Saggitarius, Fully Fullwood, Gladiators, Taxi Gang, Spear's Burning Band, the Solomonic Orchestra. I remember not knowing the names of most of the players at the time, but always saw familiar faces pop up at various shows and venues, setting the tone of pure roots, rock, reggae.

I remember the great feeling I would get looking up at some one-off show at some obscure venue and seeing Dwight Pinckney stroll onto the stage with his li'l baseball cap and wry smile, as Bingy Bunny and Flabba Holt plugged in....

The young players I see tour up from JA rarely live up to those kinda memories. The stateside, VI and European bands have come up to par, IMO, which still leaves me wistful for the past. But that's OK. I'll go see Taurus Riley tomorrow, and be temporarily transported to the rammed dancehall that's always rocking in my dome. Peace.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 06:49PM
I was gonna post that RR is a vocal duo not a backing band. Upon further review though, seems that they did form a band with the Manning(Abyssinians) family. that would make them backing the trio make alot more sense.



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 06:58PM
i don't think so - i saw the Abyssinian and Etana on the last tour and Roots Revealers opened the show as a vocal duo (not feeling it at all for my part, but to each his/her own). And i am 99.9% sure that they were not part of the backing outfit for the other two artists/groups.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:04PM
Now that I think back, I'm pretty sure they backed them both or someone at least. Otherwise why would they have been there? The werent billed as a seperate act.



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:05PM
comin round on thr Rebelution boys eh? See. My work is done here.
---
Ras Smoke,

What is going on here? Did you have a tire-sized, ganja filled donut for breakfast this morning?

The only thing you have exposed to me is that thing on your back and the video of the white Capleton. Both of which, I'm trying to erase from my mental memory card - but can't seem to shake...

And similar to you on a late Saturday night - I stumbled upon this Rebelution video by accident - the real credit going to Trendski and his magical carpet ride with camera in hand.

And playing on a name - Retribution straight to your backside, have you heard of the Babylon Saints ? If you can skank to them, I crown you king of all skankers...

Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:14PM
I have been finding such great new(to me) roots, I dont have time for anything else. Funny I have been skippin just about every Reb song in my playlist lately.
P.s. Jokes are really more humorus when they have some merit. I dare any reggae fan that has ears still attached to their domepices to agree with RF's random comparison of Bobby Lee and Capleton! I think they'd pry both be offended.





~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:18PM
i don't care where a band comes from, or their heritage, or where they live now.... i just wanna hear a tight band that knows and feels the music... and please for the love of jah have real horns and real keys..... synth horns and hollow 80's sounding tones from a casio can not cover for a real horn section or give that good bubble that proper keys bring.... white, black, yellow, or purple is no matter.... i hear music with my ears not my eyes.... &#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:23PM
yes reggaefan i recall seeing sugar minott a few times backed by abashanti. that was the best he ever sounded if you ask me. they really sounded great.

one more note: in most cases the "solomonic reggaestra" was roots radics augmented with some other players. at least when i saw bunny wailers, here and in ja, thats who was on stage. cant hardly beat radics with full horns, psalms on backing vocals, sticky and/or skully on percussions. then or now...

one love
jah bill
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:30PM
yup
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 07:54PM
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i don't care where a band comes from, or their heritage, or where they live now.... i just wanna hear a tight band that knows and feels the music
Well then, I'm sure you'll be well pleased and satisfied with Los Van Van's SNWMF set.

On another note, I caught a few shows of The Gladiators a couple of years back. Although I didn't think Al Griffiths came close to living up to what his father did on lead vocals, I thought the backing band (which consists of all veterans except for Albert's son Anthony on drums) were SUPER TIGHT....!
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 08:14PM
"Well then, I'm sure you'll be well pleased and satisfied with Los Van Van's SNWMF set."&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;i hear what you're saying.... but, even if they are "a tight band that knows and feels the music" i still have to like the style of music they are playing in order to enjoy the band....never really been into cuban music, but if i'm not off listening to the reggae option during their set, i may think differently after hearing them perform.... &#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;only time will tell...
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 08:22PM
Last night I went to see Delly Ranx perform in Hollywood, FL. He is an excellent performer, but had to deal with a ridiculously terrible band. I don't know if the backing band were Americans or Jamaicans, but these guys didn't even know standard riddims like Punanny. Then there were the (jamaican) opening artists who were far worse than any of the CA opening artists - some of the biggest jokers I've ever heard.

What it was proof of, is that it doesn't really matter where an artist or backing band is from - just whether their good or not. thankfully Delly Ranx is a real showman who was able to work the situation well - and although the band and openers were all flops - I would highly reccomend Delly for SNWMF



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 08:37PM
alright reggaefan - I agree 911 is kinda herting...but here's a couple straight to your head top, featuring the white capleton on bass....





[www.snwmf.com]
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 10:21PM
heres what i am saying: all other factors equal, given a backing band of jamaican veterans vs a backing band of well meaning, well studied musicians from the USA...to my ears the ja band sounds better pretty much 99% of the time. note i did NOT say "to my eyes"...to my ears.

period.

one love
jah bill
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 10:53PM
it doesn't matter if the band is jamaican or american when the guy running the board is some washed up old rocker dude who doesn't know what reggae is supposed to sound like in the first place......&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 11:25PM
i think boogie brown is an example of a great non jamaican band who plays on par w/ JA bands. for me its all about the soulful feeling the music is played with and being in the pocket. i don't hear that from too many US bands, there's usually a stiffness somewhere in there, but there are def exceptions to the rule like clinton fearon's band. having played in both bands with mostly americans and mostly jamaicans for many years i think i have some insight in this. a
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 11:45PM
Good point higrade. A sound engineer familiar with reggae makes a lot of difference. There are too many American mixing guys who don't know how reggae bass or drums should sound or feel, and/or think that when a reggae band starts dubbing onstage, that's a cue to indiscriminately throw delay and reverb on things. A knowledgable engineer who can work with the band to dub live onstage is invaluable, and mighty rare.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 23, 2010 11:53PM
yes reggaefan i recall seeing sugar minott a few times backed by abashanti. that was the best he ever sounded if you ask me. they really sounded great.

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Ok, tonks for that JB - good to hear that someone else remembers and appreciated those times/that band. It wuzzzzz a huge experience to me at that time.

I had already seen some big performances as a sprouting reggae fan but that Aba Shanti band was a shocker. Didn't know a band could do something like they did, not flashy, just straight up driving, yet pleasant music... Not sure if that band ever toured California with Sugar again...

Treez, no biggie - if ya want, keep trying, I'm open to hearing something I might like by SOJA - just aint heard a stunner from them yet. But no biggie part two - now that I've heard the Babylon Saints, my focus has been refocused ;-) The white Capleton might fade away in my head rather quickly. Wish my Smokey's back vision could clear up as rapidly...
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 12:32AM
Opened in a band called the Sugarbeats for Sugar and Abashanti (along with Pato Banton & his band) at the Fillmore in early '89. Great show, musically, vibewise and crowdwise.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 02:54AM
you were in that outfit herb? i got to get you to autograph my poster then.

i believe sugar minott was touring around with that outfit for a while because i think i caught them three separate times over the years, in the bay area. i think once at berkeley commy theatre, another time out on a pier on the bay by fort mason (which was federal property and there were real live dea agents there), and a third at the stone or keystone berkeley or somewhere. all them shows were great. the pier one though had a strict curfew and strictly roots took up all the time and left sugar and abashanti with like 20 minutes before the literally pulled the plug. sugar had been on stage in the back for at least 40 minutes looking at his watch while the cali outfit started up another song. seriously.

anyway that was a great juxtaposition right there: strictly roots followed by abashanti.

guess which one i preferred.

one love
jah bill
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 04:25PM
Daniel, can you confirm weather or not the Revealers were a backing band @ SNWMF? I'll bet my stache on it!



~HIGHEST HEIGHTZ EVERY TIME~
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 04:49PM
Smoka,

Revealers were not the backing band. They are a duo, not a band. The backing band was primarilly the musicians who tour as Reggae Angels normally with an extra keyboardist from JA and Chellem on bass. the duo Roots Revealers were simply the opening act on the package that included them, The Abyssinians, and Etana. I guess the stache has to go now smoka... If I'm wrong about Roots Revealers not being the band (which I know for a fact I'm not), I will buy a Dirty Heads album and have it shipped to reggaefan. Peace



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Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:02PM
Fire up the razor & lose the fuhrer-stache smoka, Revealers are a vocal duo. What instruments have you seen Chris & Josh playing onstage? Maybe you're thinking of the Mystic Revealers?
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:10PM
Ras James TRIED to tell you Smoka - he even knew the band members names so that should have been a dead giveaway. Just goes to show - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him do a back-flip.

So was it his stache he was betting or did he mean to write "stash"? Wait - didn't you say you had some bush herb Smoka? In that case, you definitely owe one stache.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:16PM
to answer the question. No. having a backing band that is good (knows the music, lead and the audience) makes the difference. I would be willing to bet that for every wack backing band you find in California there is one in Jamaica.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:16PM
sjb I think the saying goes "you can lead a horse to drink but you can't make him water"...
smoka I can't wait for you to post your new baldface photo winking smiley
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:20PM
I met the dudes at the show and got the CD given to me. And while the brothers started as a duo, the linear notes say they formed a "group" with the mannings. So they toured as an opening act? With what band backing them? And why were they not billed as a separate act? I clearly remember them bacinkg groups at the fest, weather it was just the bros. doin vocals, I am not sure. I remember clearly them being on stage behind Etana and Abyssinians, and then doin a small set of their own. Whatever. Shouldn't take long to grow back a square inch of facial pubes anyway. Not till the official word from D though.

In 2008 the singers began collaborating with musicians from the Manning family, sons of Donald Manning of the Abyssinians. They formed the label, Family House Music and began recording material for their first album. After being chosen from the highly competitive, island-wide talent search, known as the Art of Music Initiative at the Decks in Kingston, they performed at the Air Jamaica Jazz and Blues Fest 2008 in Montego Bay. They have also performed at Spring Break in Negril, in 2007 and 2008. In June and July of 2009 they toured the US with Etana and the Abyssinians. The tour included over 20 club dates and appearances at Sierra Nevada World Music Festival 2009 and Reggae on the River in Northern California 2009.



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:24PM
The Mannings family record and co-produce the stuff with them, but were not the backing band on the tour. Like almost all artists in JA, they basically work with whatever backing band is available for that show or tour. They also were billed on some of the shows, though not all of them as they were added to the tour after it had been announced. They often open for the Abyssinians. However - they are indeed a duo.

Time to cut the stache Smoka.



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:25PM
Singers collaborate with musicians all the time - it doesn't mean they necessarily start playing instruments next to them though.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:28PM
Obviously, but who was the backing "band" then?



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:29PM
I already explained who the backing band was... read above.

Band's don't always necessarily have names, their often just musicians put together. In this case, they happened to be musicians who have all worked together previously with different groups.



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:35PM
Who Doc? since you know for a fact! I just watched several revealer clips and the band behind the bros. is the same. Sure looks like Mannings to me. Whatever, doesnt explain why they would open for one of the all-time greats. If Mannings sons were involved I could see the logic.



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:38PM
Just so I'm clear, the backing band behind the Brothers did not come with them and also back the other groups? So basically RR just showed up and sang with whomever was Etana's real backing band? While also joining them on stage for they're own set?



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:41PM
if you look at the clips from the west coast shows - it's clearly the musicians I mentioned. All of whom except the additional keyboardist I know well as I've worked with them many times. and yes, the Roots Revealers open for the Abyssinians due to the Mannings connection - but the mannings brothers don't always back them or the abyssinians.

They may not be a "band" per-se, but the Roots Revealers album is one of my favorites currently - and those 2 are very talented and very easy to work with - something rare in the reggae business.



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:41PM
Now i'm confused.

Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:42PM
The stache stays(cue hoards of cheering young ladies)!!!



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:44PM
Smoka,

Revealers did not join Etana or Abyssinians on stage, and they all used the same band....



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:46PM
"Don't always". But when they do are they still considered just a "Duo". I'm sure the Manning's and other players of instrument jammin behind multiple groups on a given night may disagree, as I tend to do.



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:46PM
Causing confusion does not a bet win smo-krates.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:48PM
"'Joining the "backing band" on stage for they're own set"



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:51PM
I never heard or felt any virtual handshakes? And in the King's court, reasonable doubt rules!!!



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:51PM
Smoka is just trying to find excuses to keep the stache since he got proven wrong.

Tell you what Smoka - you can keep the stache if you buy a Beres Hammond album. You're in over your head here... CHAAAAAAAAAAA



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:52PM
"Don't always". But when they do are they still considered just a "Duo". I'm sure the Manning's and other players of instrument jammin behind multiple groups on a given night may disagree, as I tend to do.

You are only disagreeing cuz the stache is on the line (which you freely offered up by the way). Would you call the Mighty Diamonds a band? i would say they are a vocal trio, even when the go on stage with a full band (i.e. Yellow Wall).
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 05:56PM
selektahjohnbrown wrote:

> "Don't always". But when they do are they still considered
> just a "Duo". I'm sure the Manning's and other players of
> instrument jammin behind multiple groups on a given night may
> disagree, as I tend to do.

>
> You are only disagreeing cuz the stache is on the line (which
> you freely offered up by the way). Would you call the Mighty
> Diamonds a band? i would say they are a vocal trio, even when
> the go on stage with a full band (i.e. Yellow Wall).

Exactly.... Not really that complicated. Ras Smoka is just attempting to cause confusion in order to keep the stache, rather than admit the infamous Dr Suess knows what he's talking about



Post Edited (02-24-10 09:57)

Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:01PM
Ok, but please never compare RR to Abyssinians, it diminishes the merit of your opinion a bit! >B{)>! I will gladly buy a Zap Pow album, that counts donut? Or I'll treat SJB to a way better way to start your day and it wont cause chills down his spine like Beres chalkboard scrape of a voice. Pears Hammand Eggs. You put put sugar and bublegum all over youres Suess to more closely replicate your hero's sound. I just looked up Etana's SNWMF vid, and it said "Invalid Arguments"!!!! Classic. Big Brother really is watching.



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:01PM
smoka, you can't trust liner notes any more than you can believe wikipedia.

m.



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:04PM
Daniel, can we get one of those poll thingys up here. Questions: Did Smoka lose the bet? Should he lose his stache priveleges? For how long?
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:05PM
Never said you didn't Doc, just reasoning bout tings and trying to validate last years memories. And also tryin to justify Batman and Robin playin with the Legends. If you look back, I said I'm "pretty sure" and "I'd be willing to bet". Far different than sayin "you guys are WRONG".



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:05PM
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:06PM
lol - In my opinion, that's a "post of the year" nominee right there MK.
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:11PM
More diminishing SJB!!!! >cool smiley> Smoka no stache!



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:28PM
"I will gladly buy a Zap Pow album..."&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;nope that doesn't count. it should be a greatest hits album.&#13;&#10;&#13;&#10;
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 06:32PM
I'll give ya a used bubblegum wrapper, some pocket lint, a roach, a Martin Cambell ticket stub, and $.47 cash, take it or leave it?!



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 07:06PM
I'll bet my stache stash on it!

There, I fixed that one for you Smoka.

Last year, Roots Revealers toured as part of the Abyssinians/Etana package. So far as I know, they are two guys out of Texas and performed at SNWMF with the same musicians that also backed Etana and The Abyssinians......
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 24, 2010 07:09PM
No way am I given up my stash! Jus got some Jack!!!



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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 25, 2010 06:47AM
Reggae was created by the oppressed blacks in Jamaica . It is a black heritage and it should stay that way . Just look at Jazz music today ? there are more whites musician then black who created it . When whites steal it , then it loses its meaning and it is no longer for the oppressed.

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Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 25, 2010 06:57AM
Original Jazz in New Orleans was a very mixed lot...white, black, creole.

Peace
Re: Does a jamaican backing band make difference?
February 25, 2010 09:49AM
dear f it up....
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