Capleton cancelled in Humboldt
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 04:19PM |
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 04:31PM |
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Walter
The extent to which some folks are willing to go to excuse Capleton (and other REDRUM CISUM artistes) for their morally bankrupt opinions that gays folks be killed simply because they are who they are is amazing. I see you people working - you admire the man's talent and you want to see him perform - there's just this 'small' problem that people keep blowing out of proportion... So to assuage the guilt you must be feeling (unless your a sociopath) at the hypocrisy of this situation - supporting a man who seeks to profit by chanting for the death of gay folks while supporting concepts that are core to this music such as "One Love", tolerance, and eglatarianism. So we get comments like these
"deviant..."
"cultural belief"
"pedofile and sodomist"
... and this unbelievable question:
"Really, hasn't the "bun battyman" era in reggae really subsided?"
Really? Listen to yourselves, you are trying to defend the indefensible. Look, there is no arguement - it is over - you are on the losing side. Murdering people is wrong.
So when Capleton comes, go enjoy yourselves. Smoke mass quantities of weed and get "Irie" - just walk past the protesters with a rueful shake of your head and small smile to yourselves - they can't be expected to understand - they have no understanding of the "culture". Pay up, go in and sway to every song. Big up Capleton when he sings (IN DEFIANCE) of the protest, one of his batty songs. Whatever lies you must tell yourself to make supporting an artiste who advocates for the killing of other people OK for you, tell. But please, don't try to come on here are defend that decison by using those same lies. It makes you look silly and, frankly, sad.
Enjoy the concert.
I just speak up to keep a balance in a very important conversation. Neither one of you are right, you on the one extreme, and Capleton on the other extreme. You quote me, but you don't understand the rational message because you don't want to. All you can see is irrationality, from your extreme view. And that is OK too. If you had something important to sing about, I just might go see you perform too.
If you don't listen to the music, then you won't have the capacity to reflect on what is being said, and to whom it is intended.
I hadn't planned on going to the Capleton show, but now, I am making a point of it. Thanks Walter, you solidify my belief that we need to support the things for which we care. blaaaaaze
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 04:41PM |
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your poorly written statement "And what walters post said yo me was iam gay so i cant overlook capletons "lyrical opression " -
reads "And what walter's post said yo me(iriebarto) was iam(iriebarto) gay so i(iriebarto) cant overlook capletons "lyrical opression"...
No one hates you 'cuz you can't type.
tagn
reads "And what walter's post said yo me(iriebarto) was iam(iriebarto) gay so i(iriebarto) cant overlook capletons "lyrical opression"...
No one hates you 'cuz you can't type.
tagn
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 04:55PM |
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SMH at almost all your posts irieB....
Someones "beliefs" are not equal to making songs about killing those people. Why can't you see that bro? Do you think it's ok for someone to "not believe" in interracial relationships? Would it be ok for an artist to sing about killing interracial couples?
I struggle with this issue in the music I love. I have seen Capleton 5+ times and only 1 time (2001?) did he even mention the batty word, and that was to bun them. It's not ok and it's not right. I have seen so many artist perform that have some terrible lyrics, or terrible things they have said off or on stage. I saw Lauren Hill perform a couple years ago (waste of money) and she has said a lot of racist @#$%&. Sizzla is one of my favorite artists and he has been recorded on stage saying "bun white people".
What about all these artists and their "bun rome" "bun the pope", "bun George Bush", "bun Tony Blair"-----Anthony B, right? What is the difference here? I don't like this either and I still go see Anthony B.
@Nomo, you bring up somo great questions. If Capleton sings anti gay songs tonight at the show, yes I will stop going to his shows in the future.
One last thing. (I don't like having to use Buju as the example, but) The last time Buju made his way here to Seattle (2004?) the protests made the show change venues on the day of the show. There was a great news article in the best seattle weekly paper (The Stranger, like the Guardian) and is a liberal pro-rights (pro-gay) paper. The writer who is gay attended the show and reviewed it. His review was glowing for Buju and the show. He said not only was there no anti-gay lyrics, that all the songs seemed to focus on love, togetherness, and the human struggle. The writer also said it was one of the happiest, most positive crowds he had seen at a concert in a long time. He finished with saying he would attend future Buju shows if they came thru.
Someones "beliefs" are not equal to making songs about killing those people. Why can't you see that bro? Do you think it's ok for someone to "not believe" in interracial relationships? Would it be ok for an artist to sing about killing interracial couples?
I struggle with this issue in the music I love. I have seen Capleton 5+ times and only 1 time (2001?) did he even mention the batty word, and that was to bun them. It's not ok and it's not right. I have seen so many artist perform that have some terrible lyrics, or terrible things they have said off or on stage. I saw Lauren Hill perform a couple years ago (waste of money) and she has said a lot of racist @#$%&. Sizzla is one of my favorite artists and he has been recorded on stage saying "bun white people".
What about all these artists and their "bun rome" "bun the pope", "bun George Bush", "bun Tony Blair"-----Anthony B, right? What is the difference here? I don't like this either and I still go see Anthony B.
@Nomo, you bring up somo great questions. If Capleton sings anti gay songs tonight at the show, yes I will stop going to his shows in the future.
One last thing. (I don't like having to use Buju as the example, but) The last time Buju made his way here to Seattle (2004?) the protests made the show change venues on the day of the show. There was a great news article in the best seattle weekly paper (The Stranger, like the Guardian) and is a liberal pro-rights (pro-gay) paper. The writer who is gay attended the show and reviewed it. His review was glowing for Buju and the show. He said not only was there no anti-gay lyrics, that all the songs seemed to focus on love, togetherness, and the human struggle. The writer also said it was one of the happiest, most positive crowds he had seen at a concert in a long time. He finished with saying he would attend future Buju shows if they came thru.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 04:58PM |
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that is silly...that is like saying that gun violence is "part of the culture" or that poverty is "part of the culture". Perhaps one should wonder why it is that many of these so called cultural beliefs resemble the beliefs of the brainwashing slave master. Perhaps what is more "cultural" is for people who have nothing to look for someone or some group of people that they can put their foot upon so they are not at the bottom. How do you think "color based racism" got it's start? you had wealthy white men who want to share their wealth with NO ONE. They know that if all the poor people are on the same page they will come for them. So then they whisper "hey you ain't got sheet, but at least you got white skin". So the poor then defend "the purity of their race" at all costs. They commit all kinds of atrocities against people they percieve to be literally "less then them". This is as old as time. I often times wonder how some of these Republican leaders are able to convince so many people of the nonsense they espouse...it is because people will believe whatever they percieve elevates them above the level that they are really at.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:06PM |
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:10PM |
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Hmmm, being against the advocating of murder of people is "extreme" -- sounds like you write copy for Republicant political adds bun. If you don't, perhaps you should consider it - you use one of their favorite buzzwords with aplomb.
Look, I support free speech - Capleton has the right to expound any view his wants and you have the right to listen to anything you want. I have fought and shed a little blood in defense of his and your right to free speech. So if you want to support Capleton and, by extension, his philosophy of supporting death for gay people, that's on you. But decisions are not made in a vacuum and we are all accountable to each other in society for the decisions we make and to G-d, if you are bent to believe in such a Being. Just like I decided for myself -- AFTER listening to enough murder music to make up my mind -- that I would not support murder music. Admittedly, all I needed was one listen to any of these batty songs to make up my mind. If you are not of the same mind, then just be honest and say "I like so-called murder music. I am proud to be a Capleton fan and I like his music and his vibe." - which is what many of you imply, but will not say. Impolitic, perhaps, but it would be honest.
Further, I have always been a defender of the weak and oppressed - I started when I was young at Lincoln Elementary, going up against bullies on the schoolyard; at Hill Jr. Hi when defending my friends from racial slurs; and at Poly HS. I have marched in solidarity with my black and brown brothers and sisters rebelling against the racial prejudices that still besets us as a nation. And, yes, I have proudly march with my gay brothers and sisters in various pride parades as they seek justice for their community.
I suspect that none of my words will make a whit of difference to you in determining whether you go the Capleton's show or not. You either will or you won't. I cannot imagine myself thinking "bun don't want me to go to a Capleton concert, so I AM going, dammit!" It's really a little disingenuous to suggest that that is the case.
Of course, I hold out the possibility that I am wrong. If so, my apologies and... Enjoy the show.
Look, I support free speech - Capleton has the right to expound any view his wants and you have the right to listen to anything you want. I have fought and shed a little blood in defense of his and your right to free speech. So if you want to support Capleton and, by extension, his philosophy of supporting death for gay people, that's on you. But decisions are not made in a vacuum and we are all accountable to each other in society for the decisions we make and to G-d, if you are bent to believe in such a Being. Just like I decided for myself -- AFTER listening to enough murder music to make up my mind -- that I would not support murder music. Admittedly, all I needed was one listen to any of these batty songs to make up my mind. If you are not of the same mind, then just be honest and say "I like so-called murder music. I am proud to be a Capleton fan and I like his music and his vibe." - which is what many of you imply, but will not say. Impolitic, perhaps, but it would be honest.
Further, I have always been a defender of the weak and oppressed - I started when I was young at Lincoln Elementary, going up against bullies on the schoolyard; at Hill Jr. Hi when defending my friends from racial slurs; and at Poly HS. I have marched in solidarity with my black and brown brothers and sisters rebelling against the racial prejudices that still besets us as a nation. And, yes, I have proudly march with my gay brothers and sisters in various pride parades as they seek justice for their community.
I suspect that none of my words will make a whit of difference to you in determining whether you go the Capleton's show or not. You either will or you won't. I cannot imagine myself thinking "bun don't want me to go to a Capleton concert, so I AM going, dammit!" It's really a little disingenuous to suggest that that is the case.
Of course, I hold out the possibility that I am wrong. If so, my apologies and... Enjoy the show.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:17PM |
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:25PM |
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Im not questioning your character Walter. I respect you for your views, but I do think they are extreme. I think the truth is in the middle. After listening to many of these songs, I am left with the impression that the violence that is painted in those songs vary greatly in intent.
Take Boom Bye Bye for example. Buju is using those potent lyrics to contrast his love of woman and how he is there to satisfy them.
It is art.
Take Boom Bye Bye for example. Buju is using those potent lyrics to contrast his love of woman and how he is there to satisfy them.
It is art.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:29PM |
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The only reason you don't hear anti woman songs is they still want to get laid. They can sing all the "Mama" and "Mother of Creation" songs they want, check how they actually treat women in their lives. No woman I know would stand for the subserviant role that is expected in the Nyabinghi and Bobo Ashanti orders.
So much passion here...and accusations. As if we could truly know another mans heart by a few words here or there. Are we all sheep to be led about? Does anyone believe in redemption? You want to change the future? Teach the youths tolerance and practice it with the people around you. Even if your tolerance has to be limited to ignoring them. Too often we deliver our beliefs like they are universal. "Midnite Sucks" instead of "I don't care for Midnite", "If you do this, it means that" or "I can't tolerate his intolerance". While some may have managed to simplify the world in their minds, others haven't.
In my experience, in this place Capleton's opponents have done more to spread his words of hate then Capleton himself. I have seen him perform in California a half dozen times in the last 4 years. Never Once heard him say anything about Gay people. Never saw any organized peaceful protests or picketing either. The most action I have witnessed was the infamous "pepper spray" incident at the Rockit Room but since I was in front, facing front all I can say is Buju didn't miss a beat and it stung my eyes a little.
One last thing
Capleton played SNWMF in 2003, should we boycott them for supporting, promoting and profitting from "Murder Music"?
So much passion here...and accusations. As if we could truly know another mans heart by a few words here or there. Are we all sheep to be led about? Does anyone believe in redemption? You want to change the future? Teach the youths tolerance and practice it with the people around you. Even if your tolerance has to be limited to ignoring them. Too often we deliver our beliefs like they are universal. "Midnite Sucks" instead of "I don't care for Midnite", "If you do this, it means that" or "I can't tolerate his intolerance". While some may have managed to simplify the world in their minds, others haven't.
In my experience, in this place Capleton's opponents have done more to spread his words of hate then Capleton himself. I have seen him perform in California a half dozen times in the last 4 years. Never Once heard him say anything about Gay people. Never saw any organized peaceful protests or picketing either. The most action I have witnessed was the infamous "pepper spray" incident at the Rockit Room but since I was in front, facing front all I can say is Buju didn't miss a beat and it stung my eyes a little.
One last thing
Capleton played SNWMF in 2003, should we boycott them for supporting, promoting and profitting from "Murder Music"?
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:32PM |
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the problem is that Capleton makes GOOD GOOD TUNES....I can hear him now "FOOD IS THE STAFF OF LIFE" Don't DIS the TRINITY...RAGGY ROAD...WHO I AM...etc. IF the guy didn't make so many BIG TUnes this wouldn't be even relevant. I never here anyone talking about 5/6th of the anti gay tunes cause no one knows who they are. TO ME....it is like the Today show. I can't tell you how many times I yell at the tv thinking why when you have the ears of so many people do you waste time talking about nonsense?
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:35PM |
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I used to get all bent out of shape about this but I don't anymore. I am confident that in due time the peaks and valleys of the global society will become equalized for the majority. Live by example. You cant have respect for people and culture and not have respect for people and culture. Sometimes the views are based on ignorance, sometimes I learn something.
Capleton is an excellent artist.
Capleton is an excellent artist.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 05:36PM |
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PS I think the difficulty is that when it is someone we like we tend to make "excuses/reasons" for why this behavior isn't the be all end all. When Mitt Romney says 47% of Americans are basically leaches we aren't trying to hear any of the same sorts of reasoning. No one tries to paint this in a good light. The reasoning should lead, not the conclusions we want. Having said all of this. I am going to do everything I can to go see Capleton in PDX on Saturday. I want to see Mr. Knox as well.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 06:50PM |
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1 Word, can make we move onward, LOVE is a very strong word! Forward ever ya'll..... I highly suggest we all take a moment to listen to the words of this song, and then let us reflect that and turn our energy to more important issues that are facing us in the world right now! How many of you have heard the ads saying No to prop 37, can you believe, I mean WTF!!! I didnt know us having the right to know if our food contains gmo's was gonna harm small mom n pop biz....
Kulcha Naki Knox along with Tuff Lion... not jus singing the word, but walking it too! Yes Ninja, I hope you fulljoy his set on Saturday, wish I could be there too - Blessed Love!!!
Kulcha Naki Knox along with Tuff Lion... not jus singing the word, but walking it too! Yes Ninja, I hope you fulljoy his set on Saturday, wish I could be there too - Blessed Love!!!
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 06:50PM |
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Big difference between spiritual fiyah of Rastas and physically hanging gay people ALIVE from trees, shooting them in the head, or carving them up. And no, I am not gay, but a happily married man with two beautiful daughters who supports the rights of people to love each other and be as happliy married as I am.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 12, 2012 07:03PM |
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yes...the other thing is what did our parents teach us about playing with Fire?
This is the Dilema that Rasta faces. The same book that Rasta reference as the basis of their beliefs tells them to DOUSE THE FLAMES as they are not qulaified to hold the matches. The same book asks "who is good in the eyes of the Lord?" and then proceeds to tell you NO ONE. So if you are going to set flames even spirtual one's you should anticipate being consumed by the same fire that you started. IMO
This is the Dilema that Rasta faces. The same book that Rasta reference as the basis of their beliefs tells them to DOUSE THE FLAMES as they are not qulaified to hold the matches. The same book asks "who is good in the eyes of the Lord?" and then proceeds to tell you NO ONE. So if you are going to set flames even spirtual one's you should anticipate being consumed by the same fire that you started. IMO
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 12:22AM |
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As these subjects get beaten to death all I can think is, everyone on this board who I've met in person has been a wonderful person to meet, regardless of differing opinions on the form. These conversations go in circles and I think its best to just agree to disagree with people online when the views get real passionate on all ends.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 02:23AM |
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Perhaps we should scrutinize every boardies taste in films as well....Quote
bun n cheese
I love art, even the violent art.
why limit this to music?
Killing is wrong, yes, but how many of you have a dvd library completely free of violent films? What about boycotting Netflix because some of the movies are of questionable taste?
Lets just live without art entirely to make sure no one gets offended.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 04:46AM |
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There is a big difference between watching a violent movie, or even listening to a song with a story about violence (Hey Joe), and preaching a straight up message of hanging gay folks, or shooting them, or carving them up. One is "art" and one is a sermon of hate, imo. I watch violent movies, and I listen to songs that have violence in the story ("Jack Straw from Witchita shot his buddy down..." ) I refuse to listen to a person blatantly encourage violence against people.
And really, don't you think gay people and kids go through enough bullying and harassment to have to listen to a musician sing blatant messages of hate and violence?
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And really, don't you think gay people and kids go through enough bullying and harassment to have to listen to a musician sing blatant messages of hate and violence?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/13/2012 05:01AM by J_72.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 05:04AM |
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Grateful Dead...good pull!
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 06:32PM |
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J_72
There is a big difference between watching a violent movie, or even listening to a song with a story about violence (Hey Joe), and preaching a straight up message of hanging gay folks, or shooting them, or carving them up. One is "art" and one is a sermon of hate, imo. I watch violent movies, and I listen to songs that have violence in the story ("Jack Straw from Witchita shot his buddy down..." ) I refuse to listen to a person blatantly encourage violence against people.
And really, don't you think gay people and kids go through enough bullying and harassment to have to listen to a musician sing blatant messages of hate and violence?
Have to?
I don't see how the "have to" applies.
And I disagree, a lot of films promote a lot worse hatred and violence.
Getting used to ppl's double standards on here though, so I guess I've just learned to live with it...
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 07:39PM |
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WOW, Capleton was so good last night here in Seattle. Best show from him I have seen, and one of the best of the year so far. No bad man lyrics, no batty talk, no negative vibes at all. He seemed to make it a point to talk about "equal rights and justice for all" multiple times between songs last night. Not one protester, just positive, uplifting vibz all night till 3am.
Can't wait to see him again, and seriously thinking of skipping Richie Spice tonight and driving to Portland for more Capleton.
1love
Can't wait to see him again, and seriously thinking of skipping Richie Spice tonight and driving to Portland for more Capleton.
1love
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 07:49PM |
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Everyone has double standards. There are some things we can stand and some we can't. It's just disappointing to see how many people who love reggae can justify tolerating discrimination toward gays when they would not tolerate it toward other minority groups. Perhaps in the mind we separate 'them' from 'us' and so we dismiss it. Since one of my immediate family is gay, for me its very personal. Now if you F&%$ with the gay community, you're F&%$in' wit Nomo.
Change is best made by talking. Thats what we're doing here, and i thank all the participants. I'm not saying i wouldn't go see Capleton. I don't let others make my convictions for me.
Love that reggae!
Change is best made by talking. Thats what we're doing here, and i thank all the participants. I'm not saying i wouldn't go see Capleton. I don't let others make my convictions for me.
Love that reggae!
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totally agreeQuote
nomotrouble
Change is best made by [communication]. Thats what we're doing here, and i thank all the participants.
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Everyone has double standards. There are some things we can stand and some we can't. It's just disappointing to see how many people who love reggae can justify tolerating discrimination toward gays when they would not tolerate it toward other minority groups. Perhaps in the mind we separate 'them' from 'us' and so we dismiss it. Since one of my immediate family is gay, for me its very personal. Now if you F&%$ with the gay community, you're F&%$in' wit Nomo.
Change is best made by talking. Thats what we're doing here, and i thank all the participants. I'm not saying i wouldn't go see Capleton. I don't let others make my convictions for me.
You can go see capleton without supporting his anti gay lyrics.. the same with many other artist who have similiar lyrics but also a large colletion of huge tunes... like i said before i have a family member, well technically 2 because of her partner that are gay... and it doesnt affect anything .. it was never even wierd.. i just dont think you can boycott an artist for a song or 2..
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 13, 2012 11:57PM |
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Each case has to be considered separately Iriebarto because each situation is different. I gladly went to see Buju at SNWMF, have a nice video of it and love it. You have to judge what's in the heart of the artist and for me seeing them live helps. I realize religion sells the whole bill of goods and many involved in it don't feel they can ignore that which their preacher preaches, even though many do. I couldn't subscribe to something that demonizes one group of people. If religions does, that's proof to me that its made up. Do you really think a supreme being would say, ya, but not these gay people.
But i think you are wrong in saying that you can go see an artist without supporting what they sing about and communicate. You're supporting them all right, all of them. It's like saying you can go to Chick Fil A without supporting the anti gay marriage groups. You really are, because the owner donates money made through the company to those groups.
And what are you supporting if you go see Ted Nugent?
J72, i'm not disagreeing with anything you said, what i mean by double standards is like this: though i have some moral stances, they may not be born out by my actions. Today i went to see a movie, and i think i may have inadvertently promoted some things i don't like. i filled up my gas tank with 80 bucks worth of gas at 4.75 a gallon at chevron, polluted the air while i drove by myself to the theater, ate some popcorn that was most likely GMO from freakin monsanto, and drank some high fructose corn syrup soda to wash it down. By buying these things i'm convincing these companies to produce more. I'm so ashamed of myself i gotta go medicate.
Love that reggae!
But i think you are wrong in saying that you can go see an artist without supporting what they sing about and communicate. You're supporting them all right, all of them. It's like saying you can go to Chick Fil A without supporting the anti gay marriage groups. You really are, because the owner donates money made through the company to those groups.
And what are you supporting if you go see Ted Nugent?
J72, i'm not disagreeing with anything you said, what i mean by double standards is like this: though i have some moral stances, they may not be born out by my actions. Today i went to see a movie, and i think i may have inadvertently promoted some things i don't like. i filled up my gas tank with 80 bucks worth of gas at 4.75 a gallon at chevron, polluted the air while i drove by myself to the theater, ate some popcorn that was most likely GMO from freakin monsanto, and drank some high fructose corn syrup soda to wash it down. By buying these things i'm convincing these companies to produce more. I'm so ashamed of myself i gotta go medicate.
Love that reggae!
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Capleton already signed the Compassion Act, so he won't be performing any of his anti-gay material abroad and it should be a moot point. Gays have the right to marry, but people have the right to see whatever concert they like also. Live & let live extends to all sides.
Exactly
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Capleton already signed the Compassion Act, so he won't be performing any of his anti-gay material abroad and it should be a moot point. Gays have the right to marry, but people have the right to see whatever concert they like also. Live & let live extends to all sides.
Well that makes it all better for the gay people in JA that live in daily fear and anxiety.
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Capleton already signed the Compassion Act, so he won't be performing any of his anti-gay material abroad and it should be a moot point. Gays have the right to marry, but people have the right to see whatever concert they like also. Live & let live extends to all sides.
Well that makes it all better for the gay people in JA that live in daily fear and anxiety.
So what is YOUR ideal solution J?
All I am reading from you is complaints and accusations....
Any insight into what would improve conditions in your opinion?
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So what is YOUR ideal solution?
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 14, 2012 06:33PM |
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saw King Shango last night. GREAT show! .Kulcha Knox LARGE!. Jah Thunder LARGE...Nice spot in a warehouse in SW PDX. Ital VIbes put down the sounds in between. Chalice Row was in the house and the place was PACKED. Mutant Audio sounded very good. Seen more Rasta then I have seen in a LONG time in PDX....Rasta came out of the hills for this one. NO NEGATIVE VIBES at ALL....Equal Rights and Justice for ALL was the mantra. VERY happy to get to see Capleton and see that it was far from the hanging rope Stage Show the cartoon implies. Never thought that it would be but was nice to see nothing but happy people of all shapes sizes and colors.
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 14, 2012 07:18PM |
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Of course he won't sing those lyrics in the US, so I am not sure why people keep saying that. And how genuine can his calls for unity and equal rights be knowing he records the songs in question? And how long will the reggae community keep justifying it?
I'm done, keep turning a blind eye....
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I'm done, keep turning a blind eye....
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Capleton already signed the Compassion Act, so he won't be performing any of his anti-gay material abroad and it should be a moot point. Gays have the right to marry, but people have the right to see whatever concert they like also. Live & let live extends to all sides.
Well that makes it all better for the gay people in JA that live in daily fear and anxiety.
To be fair, not all gay people live that way in JA. Have you ever been to New Kingston? There are lots of homosexuals there. Even where I live I have lesbian neighbors. The Prime Minister here has even been very vocal about gay rights. I think you'll find the vast majority of people in this country, even if they feel something is wrong, are pretty live and let live.
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Chimino
Capleton already signed the Compassion Act, so he won't be performing any of his anti-gay material abroad and it should be a moot point. Gays have the right to marry, but people have the right to see whatever concert they like also. Live & let live extends to all sides.
Well that makes it all better for the gay people in JA that live in daily fear and anxiety.
To be fair, not all gay people live that way in JA. Have you ever been to New Kingston? There are lots of homosexuals there. Even where I live I have lesbian neighbors. The Prime Minister here has even been very vocal about gay rights. I think you'll find the vast majority of people in this country, even if they feel something is wrong, are pretty live and let live.
Thank you for shedding that light ... good to hear from someone who lives there and knows..
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Finally
Finally you can just be irie and not worry man...just dance to the music dude....don't let those homos bother you...irie man irie....
James, I have met gay people from Jamaica who moved here to avoid the harassment, but it is good to know the PM is speaking about it. Peace Man.
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One man cant change the mind of many.. so live and let live like dem say ... iam. Not a bad person cuz i go see capleton live so keep trying
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these gay rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports gay rights.
Whereas, others may not be so extreme and are actually willing to come to some sort of compromise....
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 15, 2012 01:54PM |
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"One man cant change the mind of many.. so live and let live like dem say ... iam. Not a bad person cuz i go see capleton live so keep trying
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these gay rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports gay rights.
Whereas, others may not be so extreme and are actually willing to come to some sort of compromise...."
First of all, one man CAN change the minds of many...it's done all the time.
Secondly, change the word 'gay' in this paragraph to any other minority group. Like black....
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these black rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports black rights.
Sounds pretty bad like that, huh?
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these womens rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports womens rights.
Whereas, others may not be so extreme and are actually willing to come to some sort of compromise...."
BIG BIG up J72
Love that reggae!
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these gay rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports gay rights.
Whereas, others may not be so extreme and are actually willing to come to some sort of compromise...."
First of all, one man CAN change the minds of many...it's done all the time.
Secondly, change the word 'gay' in this paragraph to any other minority group. Like black....
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these black rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports black rights.
Sounds pretty bad like that, huh?
Of course that doesn't make you a bad person.
That's the issue I have with these womens rights supporters.
It's all or nothing with them.
As J72 said, he isn't going to be happy until EVERYONE supports womens rights.
Whereas, others may not be so extreme and are actually willing to come to some sort of compromise...."
BIG BIG up J72
Love that reggae!
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Asking for equal rights is extreme? Funny, I thought singing about shooting, killing, and hanging gay people was extreme.
Not being willing to compromise is extreme, yes.
Even if I did agree with you, that viewpoint is very unrealistic....
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I don't mean compromising on rights per se.
What I mean is to think that everyone will accept gays is very unrealistic.
And unfair to others beliefs be they religious, social, etc.
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What I mean is to think that everyone will accept gays is very unrealistic.
And unfair to others beliefs be they religious, social, etc.
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"For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required."
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Cesar Chavez
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AND ALL women!
Exactly....
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 15, 2012 04:37PM |
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I think the goal of any "movement" should not be to oppress the thoughts of others. I can't make Capleton like gays any more then I can the Pope. They have the same view on the subject. You may think the rope that Capleton offered to gays is bad but I would prefer it to being told that when I die I will not only suffere I will suffer in the worst way for being who I am and then beyond that being told my suffereing will NEVER end. I Believe in the right to play a show and the right to protest a show. Having said that I would say maybe 1/3 of the crowd may be aware of his views. the other 2/3rds ZERO clue, they just came to see a good stage show and that is what they got. Don't fool yourselves into thinking may of the same artitst we big up on a daily basis don't feel the same way. They just don't say it.
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I think the goal of any "movement" should not be to oppress the thoughts of others. I can't make Capleton like gays any more then I can the Pope. They have the same view on the subject. You may think the rope that Capleton offered to gays is bad but I would prefer it to being told that when I die I will not only suffere I will suffer in the worst way for being who I am and then beyond that being told my suffereing will NEVER end. I Believe in the right to play a show and the right to protest a show. Having said that I would say maybe 1/3 of the crowd may be aware of his views. the other 2/3rds ZERO clue, they just came to see a good stage show and that is what they got. Don't fool yourselves into thinking may of the same artitst we big up on a daily basis don't feel the same way. They just don't say it.
Or they do say it, just not as extreme so it goes unnoticed
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 15, 2012 05:14PM |
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to mi the issue is not what Ones 'believe' but that Ones have respect and tolerance for all other human individuals
walking the surface of this planet, regardless of what each One thinks, feels, believes... jus plain respect
each a wi is due at least that
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walking the surface of this planet, regardless of what each One thinks, feels, believes... jus plain respect
each a wi is due at least that
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ras danny
higher reasoning reggae time
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Re: Capleton cancelled in Humboldt October 15, 2012 06:06PM |
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Yo so u saw the capleton show......did it change your views on homosexualtiy? No............I think Breaking Bad is the greatest show ever. Much acclaimed, award-winning. It glorifies Meth and murder. I love the characters....I hate meth and what it does to people and all factors surrounding it. Bad Bad. U have a strong mind and can make it up for yourself. Sticks and Stones may brak my bones but words will never hurt me.
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listen like I said. I am for all people having the right to determine THEIR own destiny in peace and with a level of dignity that should never be comprimesed. I also know that Martin Luther King would be rolling over in his grave if you told him that the goal had gone from "think what you want but let me live" to "Let me live and think like me". I am not for anyone forcing anyone to believe anything. This goes the same way for any group of society. Thoughts are where I draw the line. I don't care what you think, just leave it up there for your own eyes and internal ears.
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gonna call Peta on this thread...animal abuse...ya'll beatin this horse to death...lobbyists should be in the capital not a festival forum...this ish is gay Im out
...and with that you reveal your ignorance to everyone here. This is a place to reason about reggae and the issues that affect the music, and all of us. Don't let the door hit you in the batty, man.
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