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Posted by strikkly 
Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 03:19AM
Ras Trent thrown from the stage at 3:57.


Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 03:37AM
and your point is?...


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strikkly
Ras Trent thrown from the stage at 3:57.

Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 04:43AM
I found that to be funny. That dude was lucky that is all that happened. After roots was assaulted with that bottle I am sure that reggae artist are not taking any @#$%&. I actually think that even before that the security I have seen for big artist was always massive and menacing.
Be that a lesson, Jamaicans don't play that ish.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 12:54PM
that dude came out there with some menacing vibes.. what is up with the ras trent and ras kkk vibes at recent reggae shows?

andrew tosh was tame compared to the recent fan showcases of late..
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June 13, 2013 02:05PM
Lucky King Shango didn't break out any jui-jitsu........seems he told the guy who threw him off stage that he didn't have to do all that......and he kept the show rolling......THE POINT.......BIG UP King Shango and hope he ripped the thing last night in Oakland.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 02:52PM
Ras Trent? Almost as funny as when i posted on facebook! smiling smiley

~Highest Heightz Every Time~
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 05:00PM
Maybe this 'Ras Trent' guy had been begging, imploring Capleton to play something that slightly resembled nice, live, reggae or dancehall. I mean, a human being (including Ras trent types) can only take so much. Jahsiah said " Be that a lesson, Jamaicans don't play that ish." What he should say is "Most Jamaicans don't play that kind of gibberish that is borderline unlistenable."

Big up to King Shango?!! really, give me a break

I say... Some Never Plant yet want to Reap,
Be careful, try to look before you leap;
Took a little walk from my Vineyard...
Now I'm all alone..
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 05:14PM
wait.. there are two instances.. one at 1:50 or so and one at the time referenced in OP.

the first time trent comes from the crowd then pushes capes.. he then comes back from backstage and tries to do the same.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 05:16PM
whatsup papaken, you don't like Capleton?

I agree with Strikkly, I think King Shango handled the situation with ease & grace. Right after the guy shoves him the 1st time, Capleton doesn't miss a beat and starts talking about Love. He didn't seem fazed at all and combated the negativity with positivity, like a True King. Bless!
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June 13, 2013 05:51PM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 06:07PM
Maybe Ras Trent was offended by the words Capleton preaches; he has been known to have protests outside of his venues in the past.
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June 13, 2013 06:18PM
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yellowberry
Maybe Ras Trent was offended by the words Capleton preaches; he has been known to have protests outside of his venues in the past.

IMHO reacting to words with violence is intolorable. Peacefull protest is one thing. I heard this guy was out of his head on some type of drugs.

This is not to be taken as a defense of his stance on homosexuality, but that stance is his right none the less.

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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 06:27PM
I don't understand how he made it to the stage the second time? You would think the first stage appearance woulda earned him a quick exit from the venue.
Re: Non-violent crisis intervention...the dude ran up so quick and got physical with the artist security didn't have any more time but to do what they did. For all they knew he had a knife or gun and was looking to pull a Pantera.
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June 13, 2013 06:31PM
The moral of this story is that people do stupid @#$%& while they are on mind altering drugs. Dont be that guy kids. Why make it anything more than that.

You can turn your back on a person, but you can never turn your back on a drug....-Hunter S. Thompson
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 07:02PM
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J_72
They might want to rethink their security strategy, especially knowing the patrons might be on certain drugs. I'm no lawyer, but if that dude broke his back, he might have a helluva lawsuit. Teachers go through non-violent crisis intervention training, maybe festival security should do the same.

Peace

lawsuit? who knows.. the stage throw looked more like a self-defense move more than anything else.. trent assualted capes twice... you dont know if the second time around trent had a weapon..
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June 13, 2013 07:05PM
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yellowberry
Maybe Ras Trent was offended by the words Capleton preaches; he has been known to have protests outside of his venues in the past.

so are you going to punch luciano the next time he draws for the creationist speech ?
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 07:12PM
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J_72
They might want to rethink their security strategy, especially knowing the patrons might be on certain drugs. I'm no lawyer, but if that dude broke his back, he might have a helluva lawsuit. Teachers go through non-violent crisis intervention training, maybe festival security should do the same.

Peace

In my opinion, you throw your right to a non-violent resolution right out the window as soon as you attack/push the artist on stage once. And this guy did it twice. He deserved to get thrown off the stage and I don't feel bad one bit the kid broke his arm. If you like the cuurent state of your physical health, don't rush the stage trying to physically assault an artists at a festival or any other show, otherwise your physical health WILL and SHOULD be put into danger. That's why security at shows exists, for people like this dude
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June 13, 2013 09:26PM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 13, 2013 10:53PM
Me? Naw you got me confused with Ras Trent grinning smiley LOL. I just hope I got my camera queued next time he Luci does that awesome front flip thumbs up
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yellowberry
Maybe Ras Trent was offended by the words Capleton preaches; he has been known to have protests outside of his venues in the past.

so are you going to punch luciano the next time he draws for the creationist speech ?
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June 14, 2013 12:24AM
Once agian for those who missed the other thread, it wasnt even security that tossed dude. It was mi bredren, King Schascha a Trini reggae artist. He and me son were on the line-up(didnt end up playing). Who knows how far this would have gone if they werent chillin back stage. Crazy

~Highest Heightz Every Time~
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June 14, 2013 12:33AM
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Danny Crucial
Once agian for those who missed the other thread, it wasnt even security that tossed dude. It was mi bredren, King Schascha a Trini reggae artist. He and me son were on the line-up(didnt end up playing). Who knows how far this would have gone if they werent chillin back stage. Crazy
Trinis mos def don't play that ish. Dude is lucky he didn't get body slammed. I have lived and Trinidad and Jamaican communities in Philly, Brooklyn, and Miami. Believe me that this dude is very lucky.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 12:38AM
Yeah Capleton kinda had to call him off it seemed. If u look at it he really knocked the back of his head on the stage the first time he got tackled. Everyone was a little lucky on that one I think.

~Highest Heightz Every Time~
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June 14, 2013 01:24AM
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Danny Crucial
Yeah Capleton kinda had to call him off it seemed. If u look at it he really knocked the back of his head on the stage the first time he got tackled. Everyone was a little lucky on that one I think.

total self defense move.. or defense of a victim move.. the guy was out to harm capleton.. pre-mediated even..

the first time, ok.. he was feeling "irie" or a little brave.. no blood no foul.

he then had 3 more mins to compose himself, make his way to the back stage, then attack.

funny how folks rage on and on about malcolm x should have been more like mlk.. more passive... peaceful protest..
but then this clown trent is celebrated and justified in his assult of capleton.. its ok.. its all in the name of 'tolerance'

to j-72 and the other 'understanding', 'tolerant' posse, caples and his crew were wrong..

basically you are saying.. its ok for a white man to attack a black man... its 'justified'..
capes 'fire time' lyrics provoked the too sensitive trent, so trent's only action was to assult capes twice..

really in the end it boils down to this.

if a white attacks a black, its tolerance time.
if a black attacks a white, its jail time.


88% of the snwmf massive are straight up racists.. the other 12% are irie..
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June 14, 2013 01:44AM
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Danny Crucial
Yeah Capleton kinda had to call him off it seemed. If u look at it he really knocked the back of his head on the stage the first time he got tackled. Everyone was a little lucky on that one I think.

total self defense move.. or defense of a victim move.. the guy was out to harm capleton.. pre-mediated even..

the first time, ok.. he was feeling "irie" or a little brave.. no blood no foul.

he then had 3 more mins to compose himself, make his way to the back stage, then attack.

funny how folks rage on and on about malcolm x should have been more like mlk.. more passive... peaceful protest..
but then this clown trent is celebrated and justified in his assult of capleton.. its ok.. its all in the name of 'tolerance'

to j-72 and the other 'understanding', 'tolerant' posse, caples and his crew were wrong..

basically you are saying.. its ok for a white man to attack a black man... its 'justified'..
capes 'fire time' lyrics provoked the too sensitive trent, so trent's only action was to assult capes twice..

really in the end it boils down to this.

if a white attacks a black, its tolerance time.
if a black attacks a white, its jail time.


88% of the snwmf massive are straight up racists.. the other 12% are irie..
I agree with everything you posted but the last sentence. This is an irie but super liberal group that is somewhat detached from reality.
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June 14, 2013 01:48AM
BV: Where is ANYONE either 'celebrating' or 'justifying' what was done to Capleton....?

BV: Where is j-72 or ANYONE saying Capleton and his crew was wrong.....?

BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?
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June 14, 2013 03:02AM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 04:23AM
Not with you on this one. Big stretch, big vein.
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June 14, 2013 05:06AM
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Daniel
BV: Where is ANYONE either 'celebrating' or 'justifying' what was done to Capleton....?

BV: Where is j-72 or ANYONE saying Capleton and his crew was wrong.....?

BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?


justification:

the justification comes from yellowberry and many on the video page.. their argument is that we should try to see trent's viewpoint.. trent is manifesting his protest in the form of physical resistance. gays and their support groups have had enough of capes.. boycotts just arent enough for them.. it has reached a level where the gloves must come off..
really and truly what trent did is assault.. no way around it. i surprised you, daniel, have not said as much..

in the wrong:

by second guessing the bredrin's or security's action implies they are in the wrong. a common saying around these parts is "always listen to your first mind" .. this means the first action/reaction is the correct one.
also, the whole 'lawsuit' speech is a wishful projection. meaning, jeff and others would love to see trent bring some type of law suit.. its a bat signal of sorts.. jeff and crew know trent's people also read this board, so jeff is signaling them on next steps. its reassurance that trent has support should he bring a lawsuit.. the end game is to ruin capes.. to remind black people to dance, sing, and keep your mouth shut.
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June 14, 2013 05:09AM
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Malolo
Not with you on this one. Big stretch, big vein.

then i stand in good company.. with others who have also stood alone..

marcus
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 05:20AM
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J_72
BV, that's straight crap, and you know it. I call BULLSHIT. Don't play the race card with me when I am discussing legalities of over aggressive security. The dude was totally in the wrong, but promoters need to be careful how security handles dumbasses so that it doesn't turn into a legal battle. Let's twist some words though, so I'm the racist.

Damn that pisses me off, but you'll probably twist those words too.

trent sent the tone of agression.. in fact he was met with an equal amount of force..

man to man.. hand to hand..

if security came with a stick or knife, then you have room to speak..

but trent came with a shove.. he was shoved back..

just that shaka zulu pickney came with much more strength.

he should have been prepared to fight... but his weak sheltered azz got played..
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June 14, 2013 06:05AM
Bv would play the race card at a u.n. world peace meeting. Do u still watch black and white tv? I watch tv in full color. I demand 2 know the source of your stats. Snwmf 88 percent racist! Just because u live in the most racist state. Texas. Doesn't make the world racist. Let me call u racist for trying to drive a wedge between races. But I like your musical opinions.
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June 14, 2013 06:12AM
Clearly the trini defense man is making a statement by shoving the white attacker who represents white corporate greed. The trini is saying we don't want your g m o s in our world (stage) and away with you drones.
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June 14, 2013 06:35AM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 12:23PM
If the shover was injured badly and in touch with a lawyer, everyone involved, the organization putting on the show, capleton, the individual who shoved him off the stage, and the members of security could all be sued. Some times individual events are not part of a larger trend and do not lend themselves to accurately making conclusions about an ethnic or religious group. This guy wasn't the gay community, he was one trashed idiot.

BV is just trying again to wind everyone up by saying that most here are racist. I'd say most here are less racist than BV, who keeps trying to bring it back to race.

Love that reggae!
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June 14, 2013 01:00PM
Respect to BV and your opinions Sir, I mostly agree. That being said you should not come off as a provocateur on this site especially if you are not attending festy. Respect sameway BV.
The funniest part about this whole incident is that I think that some people, especially in JA, actually think that the guy was Andy Sandberg (the SNL actor who played Ras Trent).
As for everyone else getting sticky about that. Seriously is says more about us how we are perceived as white folks than anything else. I would not take offense guys, keep doing the reggae.
ALSO I really thought this would be a great PSA for the SNWMF Massive.....

PSA.....ALL PATRONS...always respect the space and integrity of all musicians, artists and staff.....if you violate this space you will be promptly and unceremoniously ejected from the premises....HAVE A GREAT FESTY!!!!!!

tag on a picture off the guy flying backwards off the stage catching air, everyone would get the point....that's all
respect MASSIVE
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June 14, 2013 02:21PM
BV, let's reason about this in person at the fest...
I'll be the white guy, with a beard and sunglasses...ya know, just hanging with my friends and family, supporting the show and appreciating the music.
You can't miss me.
Peace.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 02:22PM
Now he's a "gay protestor"? I wonder how they came to that conclusion...
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June 14, 2013 02:29PM
thread done!!



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June 14, 2013 02:30PM
Chimino: That's an easy one - The person who wrote the article spoke with BigVein before filing his/her report: ("One patron told Urbanislandz.com that Capleton attacker was a gay man who made his was inside the venue to disrupt the concert."winking smiley
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June 14, 2013 02:52PM
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Daniel
Chimino: That's an easy one - The person who wrote the article spoke with BigVein before filing his/her report: ("One patron told Urbanislandz.com that Capleton attacker was a gay man who made his was inside the venue to disrupt the concert."winking smiley

so daniel.. answer the question..

did trent assault capleton ?
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June 14, 2013 03:08PM
Remember that guy from Fresno, a couple of years ago, who was on the FBI's or Homeland Security's or someone's payroll and he was infiltrating the West Coast festival scene. Welcome to Big Vein's world. The giveaways are his immediate polarizations of everything people want to talk about. But that doesn't mean an agent can't like the music . I mean, to be a Middle east specialist, you would certainly have to speak the language, right?

I say... Some Never Plant yet want to Reap,
Be careful, try to look before you leap;
Took a little walk from my Vineyard...
Now I'm all alone..
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June 14, 2013 03:16PM
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bigvein
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Daniel
Chimino: That's an easy one - The person who wrote the article spoke with BigVein before filing his/her report: ("One patron told Urbanislandz.com that Capleton attacker was a gay man who made his was inside the venue to disrupt the concert."winking smiley

so daniel.. answer the question..

did trent assault capleton ?

crickets..
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June 14, 2013 03:18PM
No, like you, Ras Trent was nowhere near the venue. Yes, that guy clearly assaulted Capleton.

In looking at your post from last night, you seem to be confusing "justification" with "explanation". I'm sure Yellowberry will stand with me in stating that this person's actions were not justified. It's one thing for someone to try and come up with a reason (eg. explanation) for one's actions. It's entirely another thing to presume, as you have done, that the actions are either based upon race or one's aversion to homophobia. Doing so is only racist and bigoted imo. I would add ignorance to that equation if I didn't know that it's just your clever way of trying to 'wind people up', something that you do periodically here that I, for one, don't appreciate.

Using your line of 'reasoning' it is obvious that the only reason Andrew Tosh assaulted Jah Spear when he performed at SNWMF years ago is because Tosh is rootsaphobic and the only reason it didn't get more reaction on this phorum is because it was just another black-on-black crime.....
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June 14, 2013 03:19PM
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BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?

crickets..
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June 14, 2013 03:27PM
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bigvein
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Daniel
Chimino: That's an easy one - The person who wrote the article spoke with BigVein before filing his/her report: ("One patron told Urbanislandz.com that Capleton attacker was a gay man who made his was inside the venue to disrupt the concert."winking smiley

so daniel.. answer the question..

did trent assault capleton ?

crickets..

1) Yes, any unsolicited intentional physical contact does constitute assault.
2) The above fact does not have any bearing on the fact that if said moron was thrown offstage by non-authorized security and got paralyzed or worse, his high-powered attorney father could sue the existence out of the festival and the music career away from Capleton.
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June 14, 2013 03:34PM
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The above fact does not have any bearing on the fact that if said moron was thrown offstage by non-authorized security and got paralyzed or worse, his high-powered attorney father could sue the existence out of the festival and the music career away from Capleton.

While I agree with your assessment as it pertains to the festival Uncle Herbie, I think it would be a big 'legal stretch' to put any liability on Capleton unless the person doing the tossing was a part of Capleton's security. FYI, I'm sure the festival was required to have insurance as a condition of using the fairgrounds property, as was the case when SNWMF was there....
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June 14, 2013 03:38PM
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BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?

crickets..

his own people stated this was a gay rights protest.. read it on you tube... so 'fire time' or capelton lyrics in general 'provoked' the attack.
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June 14, 2013 03:41PM
Sounds like people wanna blame Capleton and that IS racist and absurd. Other than that people are over reacting. AND if some big ass deal is made about this through litigation then YES he was clearly sent as an agent to disrupt.
Seriously in Yard the guy would be beaten by police on premises then taken to the jail where they would repeat again.
Saying that this guy has some litigation to pursue seems to me to be the height of white priviledged attitudes.
BV you didn't answer my question Are YOU coming to the festival OR NOT????
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June 14, 2013 03:45PM
this time of year finds me in NYC... work related.
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June 14, 2013 03:49PM
Respect sameway, BV.
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June 14, 2013 03:50PM
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The above fact does not have any bearing on the fact that if said moron was thrown offstage by non-authorized security and got paralyzed or worse, his high-powered attorney father could sue the existence out of the festival and the music career away from Capleton.

While I agree with your assessment as it pertains to the festival Uncle Herbie, I think it would be a big 'legal stretch' to put any liability on Capleton unless the person doing the tossing was a part of Capleton's security. FYI, I'm sure the festival was required to have insurance as a condition of using the fairgrounds property, as was the case when SNWMF was there....

Well, I'm neither a lawyer or insurance agent (I only play one at festivals when people ask the other musicians "who's that old guy with you?"winking smiley, but if backstage access is limited as it is in a festival of any size, then the behavior of anyone who's backstage is on the festival, and if someone in Capleton's entourage takes the law into their own hands and does damage in the absence of actual paid security personnel, then that certainly could make Capleton or at least his mgmt. liable. As far as the insurance goes, there is probably a clause in that agreement which requires that the festival hire security personnel from a licensed security firm. Maybe you could check with SNWMF and see if that's the case. If that were a stipulation and the festival neglected to do so, then I doubt that insurance would cover such an incident.
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June 14, 2013 03:51PM
I toil part time at Jah Cold Stone Creamery.
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June 14, 2013 04:02PM
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BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?

crickets..

his own people stated this was a gay rights protest.. read it on you tube... so 'fire time' or capelton lyrics in general 'provoked' the attack.

Oh, ok, I believe EVERYthing I read on youtube comments LOL. I've heard 3 different stories on this so far: "Trent" was either tweaking on bad drugs, he was a gay activist who had beef with Cape's lyrics, or he paid for a Cape dubplate and got burned. Also, he broke either his leg, arm or collarbone. I'm not saying any of these are true or false, they're just what I've heard as "definitive" accounts of what happened. All I know is that the guy's behavior was totally out of line and heinous, no matter the race, gender or sexual preference of the parties concerned, and that the festival could still be liable in a court of law for 'grievous harm' to anyone if they didn't have hired security personnel.
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June 14, 2013 04:35PM
This whole debate is absured..... Dipshit kid was on stage unauthorized, put hands on performer, got ejected. Dipshit once again made way onto stage unauthorized, put hands on performer again and was tossed from stage. Yes any scumbag lawyer that wanted to be a leech could pursue legal action, how far he would get with it is a whole other debate. If anybody here has ever been to a rock, metal or punk show, then drunken, or drugged out patrons being aggressively tossed from stage is not an uncommon site.

B.V. my man...While I do agree with you at times about the obvious rascism that is unknowingly projected by so called civil rights loving liberals trying to ease their white guilt. I've gotta say you are a little off base here. I can see where you are coming from in regards to the whole black vs white thing, but I think your over thinking this one brother....

@ strikkly....last time I checked your a white guy from norcal like myself, how do you know what they would do "ina yard"? Correct me if I'm wrong...
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June 14, 2013 04:47PM
wow, what a ridiculous thread this has become
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June 14, 2013 06:18PM
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June 14, 2013 06:26PM
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This whole debate is absured..... Dipshit kid was on stage unauthorized, put hands on performer, got ejected. Dipshit once again made way onto stage unauthorized, put hands on performer again and was tossed from stage. Yes any scumbag lawyer that wanted to be a leech could pursue legal action, how far he would get with it is a whole other debate. If anybody here has ever been to a rock, metal or punk show, then drunken, or drugged out patrons being aggressively tossed from stage is not an uncommon site.

B.V. my man...While I do agree with you at times about the obvious rascism that is unknowingly projected by so called civil rights loving liberals trying to ease their white guilt. I've gotta say you are a little off base here. I can see where you are coming from in regards to the whole black vs white thing, but I think your over thinking this one brother....

@ strikkly....last time I checked your a white guy from norcal like myself, how do you know what they would do "ina yard"? Correct me if I'm wrong...

first of all, i love all people.. i recognize the blessing each and every nation has been given by The Creator. Some nations have a blessing for one thing, while another nation may have a blessing for the next thing.. In that sense I celebrate diversity.

plus it is hard for me to be racist, when i have english, slavic, germanic blood only a few generations back.
but then again, on one side that blood was introduced by some guys on a pacific island conquest.. while on the other side it was some slave master authoritarianism dealings.

blessings in abundance still.
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June 14, 2013 06:46PM
WRONG!!!! I never argued that we should try to see Trent's view point, I merely said "MAYBE" he was offended by Capleton's lyrics and that by no means I was supporting this idiot ,everyone is calling Ras Trent. Shooot, if Trent doesn't like or agree with Capleton then go somewhere else where his views and actions are embraced in such a manner that he doesn't have to resort to violence.

I don't smoke weed, but you don't see me up on stage trying to mash out the Ras' spliff! Live and let live...thumbs up
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Daniel
BV: Where is ANYONE either 'celebrating' or 'justifying' what was done to Capleton....?

BV: Where is j-72 or ANYONE saying Capleton and his crew was wrong.....?

BV: How do you know it was 'fire time' lyrics that provoked the actions....?


justification:

the justification comes from yellowberry and many on the video page.. their argument is that we should try to see trent's viewpoint.. trent is manifesting his protest in the form of physical resistance. gays and their support groups have had enough of capes.. boycotts just arent enough for them.. it has reached a level where the gloves must come off..
really and truly what trent did is assault.. no way around it. i surprised you, daniel, have not said as much..

in the wrong:

by second guessing the bredrin's or security's action implies they are in the wrong. a common saying around these parts is "always listen to your first mind" .. this means the first action/reaction is the correct one.
also, the whole 'lawsuit' speech is a wishful projection. meaning, jeff and others would love to see trent bring some type of law suit.. its a bat signal of sorts.. jeff and crew know trent's people also read this board, so jeff is signaling them on next steps. its reassurance that trent has support should he bring a lawsuit.. the end game is to ruin capes.. to remind black people to dance, sing, and keep your mouth shut.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 07:02PM
Wow such drama and no actors .Peace be to the peaceful.It's all Karma. I saw Capelton last night at the New Parrish I was on the guest list and it was my first time seeing him . IMO his show was a bit mellow still he and his band played from 12 30 ish to 2 oclock and the crowd was giving them nuff love and rasspect. He came with a very conscious vibe and no gay bashing , I must say it was not the most powerful performance Ive seen on record for him yet I felt he can now come with an even more conscious show now that there is no longer "homophobic hate Speech" being a part of the message as Love and Hate can never be friends. I wanted to experience him and honestly it was a fun show yet it did nothing for I except remind I of his past hit songs and packed houses which seem to be a thing of the past. No one has the right to attack any one! Yet we still do it and that's human nature at it's worst black or white or in between.One Love
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 11:11PM
There was no security in the sene it was a trini reggae artist, and that little Trent guy was never escorted out of the venue he was there the next day chillen with a broke arm!!!! And I havent met one raceist at snwmf!!! And it was lyrics that provoked anything it was drugs



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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 14, 2013 11:19PM
Yes Daniel....I stand with you!

quote=Daniel]
No, like you, Ras Trent was nowhere near the venue. Yes, that guy clearly assaulted Capleton.

In looking at your post from last night, you seem to be confusing "justification" with "explanation". I'm sure Yellowberry will stand with me in stating that this person's actions were not justified. It's one thing for someone to try and come up with a reason (eg. explanation) for one's actions. It's entirely another thing to presume, as you have done, that the actions are either based upon race or one's aversion to homophobia. Doing so is only racist and bigoted imo. I would add ignorance to that equation if I didn't know that it's just your clever way of trying to 'wind people up', something that you do periodically here that I, for one, don't appreciate.

Using your line of 'reasoning' it is obvious that the only reason Andrew Tosh assaulted Jah Spear when he performed at SNWMF years ago is because Tosh is rootsaphobic and the only reason it didn't get more reaction on this phorum is because it was just another black-on-black crime.....[/quote]
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 03:33AM
Capleton Pushed By Patron In The US

Posted by K'Shema Francis on 14/06/2013 at 5:28pm

Another Jamaican entertainer was assaulted in THE United States.

The fireman Capleton was pushed twice by a patron performing at Reggae in the Hills in California last weekend.

During his well energized set, a male fan walked onto the stage and pushed Capleton before being tackled by his security guards.

However, Capleton brush off the incident and continue performing. Two minutes later the male patron returned to the stage and pushed the fireman again but was thrown off stage by a bodyguard.

“All the people who believe in love let me see your hands in the air, good over evil,” Capleton said before continuing his performance.

Just weeks ago, Toots from the legendary reggae band Toots and the Maytals was hit in the head by a patron with a vodka bottle which left him with 5 stitches.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 03:36AM
just to be clear.....this incident happened at "Reggae in the Hills 2013" at Angels Camp the other week.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 03:45AM
While I dont agree with the litigation comments....
I dont necessarily view them as racist.
Similar sentiments were expressed on a predominantly West Indian msg board I post on:

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Damn, dude went flyyyyyyying. Hope he's not injured and decides to sue.



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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 04:37AM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 05:01AM
Dont really agree with the thread going in that direction.
As in i wouldnt make that comment. of course you are free to do so. just as bv is free to express his thoughts. and i am free to point out that others have made comments similar to yours....
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 06:21AM
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Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 15, 2013 03:41PM
I was there and the dude was right next to me before the attack:

Fact:

1) the white dude was on drugs
2) he broke his arm
3) he was still at the festival Sunday morning looking really ashamed
4) his camp and friends were totally disrespected by his actions
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 16, 2013 12:44AM
if you have hate in your heart let it out....

Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 16, 2013 07:45PM


To clear up the story. The man who got thrown off stage is my friend. He acted alone. He isn't a gay rights activist seeking revenge
on a reggae star. He was under some substances that were sold to him in the middle of the food court. He is really sorry about the whole thing.
I was told by the man himself that he believed Capleton to be his best friend and wanted to get onstage and give him a hug. He is a big fan of Capleton actually. He did dislocate his elbow, and fracture his wrist. He is not seeking any legal action in the matter. Many lies going round,
but this is the truth.

~SNWMF~
2009-2010-2011-2012-2013
~RITH~
2011-2012-2013
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 16, 2013 09:40PM
Thanks for the clarity and truth.

~Highest Heightz Every Time~
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 16, 2013 10:36PM
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CentralValleyRoots


To clear up the story. The man who got thrown off stage is my friend. He acted alone. He isn't a gay rights activist seeking revenge
on a reggae star. He was under some substances that were sold to him in the middle of the food court. He is really sorry about the whole thing.
I was told by the man himself that he believed Capleton to be his best friend and wanted to get onstage and give him a hug. He is a big fan of Capleton actually. He did dislocate his elbow, and fracture his wrist. He is not seeking any legal action in the matter. Many lies going round,
but this is the truth.

I dunno, that first "hug" sure looked like a shove to me. But who knows what those drugs did to his motor coordination.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 18, 2013 10:11AM
the first was a push. the second looked like an attempted hug. Either way you can't do that. I wonder why he shoved him? It's probably because he is a long hair. We live in a Litigous society where all are sue happy. Just ask the lady that sued Mcdonalds for millions when she spilled hot coffee in her lap. Jr. Bong your last statement doesn't make sense due to typos. can u restate?
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 20, 2013 08:08AM
from http://dancehallarena.com/capleton-speaks-out-after-being-attacked-twice-on-stage/

CAPLETON SPEAKS OUT AFTER BEING ATTACKED TWICE ON STAGE
Posted on June 19, 2013 by prezzi

Reggae/Dancehall artiste Capleton, is still uncertain why he was attacked on stage twice last weekend while performing at Reggae In The Hills in California.

According to the artiste, persons have put forward several reasons why he was attacked by an unidentified man, however, he is simply happy nobody from his camp was hurt.

“Maybe the security was inadequate at the show, but I am also told that he was hanging around the musicians earlier in the day, so that’s how he ended up getting access to the stage. What is of concern to me, is that he was allowed to come on stage twice. I am just glad nobody from my camp got hurt and he was not badly hurt either,” he said.
Pushed from the stage

Capleton managed to restrain himself during the ordeal. However, the attacker was aggressively pushed from the stage twice by a member of the deejay’s camp, who appeared to be acting as security personnel.

“I am proud of how I dealt with the situation instead of getting violent because music is love. Maybe for me, it was a test and I think I handled it well because it could have been serious. The thing is I have seen a lot of situations around the world, so I am very experienced on how to deal with conflicts that come with being in entertainment,” he told THE STAR.

The artiste disclosed that his management team is now looking to pay more attention to security. He also downplayed allegations that he was attacked by somebody who represented an anti-hate music institution.

Smoking some form of drugs

“I don’t even want this to get negative. People are trying to make it look like its people from a certain group, while some people say he was smoking some form of drugs in the day and was already giving problems. We are not going to focus on negativity. Music is love so just focus on the positive and teach the youth right and empower them,” he said.

Capleton is also celebrating being sampled by platinum-selling hip hop artiste, Kanye West, for a single called I Am a God, which will be featured on his (Kanye West’s) new album called Yeezus.

“It’s another milestone in my career to have been sampled by Kanye. But it’s not the first that something like this has been done. My single Tour on Def Jam Records is one of the biggest crossover dancehall songs of all time,” he said.
Re: Ras Trent thrown off stage...
June 20, 2013 02:30PM
Like I said.....BIG UP the man Capleton and his good actions!!!!!!!
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