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Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union

Posted by Ninja 
Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 10:23AM
if you do not acknowledge you first have a problem you will not be able to correct it. The way that things have gone this summer speak for themselves. Whether it is a lack of attendance at any given show/festival or the unprofessional nature of a lot of which has transpired the truth can no longer be denied. We operate as a bunch of spokes with no connection to the same wheel. Yet when our bike continues to crash we stand around befuddled as to what has occurred as if it was "out of our control". We are the one's who will determine the future of THIS music in Oregon. Not self centered musicians or promoters. I can't tell you how many SMALL FISH I have come across that beLIEve themselves to be SHARKS. NO ONE IS RUNNING ANYTHING IN OREGON.... PERIOD. IF you were we would know about it. I got NUFF LOVE and RESPECT for all the DJ's in OREGON. It is not you I am addressing. It is the Promoters or reggae music in our State. The bottom line is none of US have done it alone and we shall not. There are so much back biting and poor planning that failure is a matter of time vs one of many possibilities. Promoters who know there are events planned for weeks and they want to drop an event on the same night? Come on man, that is TERRIBLE and completely counter productive. Part two... everyone who actually is involved with the Production of reggae doesn't want to pay for tickets to anything. Both artist and promoters try to get on Guest Lists and add everyone under the sun to a guest list. How can a show be viable if you have 150 people in the crowd and 50 got in on the guest list? This is NOT SUSTAINABLE. I have been going to reggae events for the past 15-20 years was added to the guest list of an event for the first time in the past week and that was to promote a charity. PAY FOR LIVE SHOWS. Finally (not really) talk to people. Nuff cats roll around like they ARE REGGAE MUSIC. You need to overstand that there simply aren't enough people in Oregon to leave anyone out. Nuff cats walk around with a turban wrap or call themselves Ras This or Empress that (no not you Danny and no you Lindsay) and they WONT LIFT A FINGER to HELP THE MUSIC nor the community that it spring from. They are FALSE in what they do. Without a UNIFIED effort based on COMMON UNITY we will fail. This is clear as day... they who have eye's let them read.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 10:46AM
I heard protoje didn't play in Portland back in June like he was supposed to
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 10:57AM
ninja, I remember you telling me that anyone who didn't attend a reggae festival in their own backyard (you were referring to nwwrf) wasn't a true supporter of reggae. It was one of the few things I disagreed with you on.

I knew I wasn't going to attend nwwrf, certainly not after last years junior varsity sound failures, and yet I am a huge supporter of this music.

in my opinion, nwwrf did more to undermine reggae music (not just the fest itself) in our area than did my not attending. I get a vote on this and I vote with my attendance and $$$.

I am super happy about my decision to go rafting last weekend!

m.

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Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 11:02AM
and this is why reggae music is 90% about back biting, eating from a next man plate, and all kinds of (laziness and betrayl)..
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 11:27AM
Ninja, you sounded like Doug Wendt with that rant. Kinda gave me chills.winking smiley

I say... Some Never Plant yet want to Reap,
Be careful, try to look before you leap;
Took a little walk from my Vineyard...
Now I'm all alone..
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 12:36PM
couple notes....

Ireibarto you are correct about Protoje

We were told the week of that he could not be in attendance. At that point we told everyone we could. I gave a couple people their money back at the door and gave others a portion of their back. Performers coming from other countries have travel issues, I totally understand that. In the future we are certainly going to do more to protect the people we are raising money for as well as the fans who pay their money. I guess the main difference is the idea of having money to pay that is not related to ticket sales. There are many reasons why things get cancelled or changed I just try not to be one of them

Mosquito

I told you this at the time... many years ago, prior to a greater understanding of the runnings. I now see this from your point of view and accept correction... you are much wiser than I (and I mean this not being sarcastic). I am in total agreement that this type of action EVEN WHEN UNINTENTIONAL threatens the viability of the genre as a whole.

PS.....Iriebarto, unlike NWWRF or any of the other shows I have been to as of late we at Compound Media Productions do not do shows "for profit" This would also be one of the major differences.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 02:28PM
ninja I love that you want discourse, and from that discourse, change. things need to change--agreed.

I too have a couple of friends heavily involved in putting this event on, and I never wish ill of them or for them. nonetheless, I just do not feel compelled to attend any longer until certain things do change.

m.

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Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 01, 2013 07:49PM
Change for sure
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 02, 2013 08:15AM
I know what you are saying about reggae in Oregon, Ninja. I was at NWWRF, and it was disappointing. It got me thinking that there needs to be some changes in this state to get things going in a better direction...

I remember you from my promoter days, and I'm sure I will see you around at a show in Portland one of these days (I plan on being at the Jimmy Cliff show), and lets get to discussing how we can try to turn things around in Oregon as far as live reggae shows go...



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Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 02, 2013 08:54AM
Love the positivity and realism of this thread.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 02, 2013 09:39AM
Greg Oden caused the downfall of Oregon reggae festivals.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 02, 2013 10:38AM
On a positive note I really was impressed by Highlife band from Seattle and Synergy from Ashland threw a great set down. Both will be appearing at the Jefferson State Hemp Expo in Provolt next month. The State of Jefferson band is a powerhouse unit and those guys are working hard to bring Jah music to the people, I've gotta say every one of their productions I've attended have been well run. Please don't write off Oregon folks, there's a vibrant reggae scene flourishing in S. Oregon with lots of healthy cross pollination and cooperation between bands. I'd say they're setting an excellent example and I intend to keep supporting them by attending their shows, events and buying their disks.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 03, 2013 09:33AM
I man with you on that reasoning Kel-I nuff top runnings coming form Oregon adn Washington juts because a festival bombed don't blame anyone accept the festival producers. Next year can be better.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 07, 2013 11:45AM
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Ninja
Part two... everyone who actually is involved with the Production of reggae doesn't want to pay for tickets to anything. Both artist and promoters try to get on Guest Lists and add everyone under the sun to a guest list. How can a show be viable if you have 150 people in the crowd and 50 got in on the guest list? This is NOT SUSTAINABLE. I have been going to reggae events for the past 15-20 years was added to the guest list of an event for the first time in the past week and that was to promote a charity. PAY FOR LIVE SHOW


THANK YOU!!! last few times we did a gig the guest list that has killed the take for the bands at the end of the night payout (opening acts, locals who promoted the show) and you figure someone on the guest list is probably looking for free beers/drinks as well so its just a vicous cycle.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 10:56AM
guest lists are a viable form of promotion. don't knock guest lists. they will all ways exist. a good promoter uses a guest list wisely. if a promoter measures his success or failure onna length of his guest list, guess who he has to hold responsible...

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Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 11:47AM
My wife and I always liked to pay, even after volunteering, just to support reggae. It doesn't make economic sense if every one is on the guest list. "That's not irie" "That's Babylon" BS. It's simple economics.



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Ninja
Part two... everyone who actually is involved with the Production of reggae doesn't want to pay for tickets to anything. Both artist and promoters try to get on Guest Lists and add everyone under the sun to a guest list. How can a show be viable if you have 150 people in the crowd and 50 got in on the guest list? This is NOT SUSTAINABLE. I have been going to reggae events for the past 15-20 years was added to the guest list of an event for the first time in the past week and that was to promote a charity. PAY FOR LIVE SHOW


THANK YOU!!! last few times we did a gig the guest list that has killed the take for the bands at the end of the night payout (opening acts, locals who promoted the show) and you figure someone on the guest list is probably looking for free beers/drinks as well so its just a vicous cycle.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 01:13PM
I always buy a ticket to any event I attend, even if I know I will be on a guest list. When I am given that honor, I just pass the ticket on to someone else. I know how hard the promoters and artists work, and I want to give them my support.

Jah Son
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 01:17PM
I'm not cool enough to make it onto any guest lists, with the exception of a rare public-radio pledge gift ticket. But I pay to be cool on those ones.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 03:09PM
I like to buy a ticket (I usually attend shows by myself) and then I buy another one and tell the ticket-seller to give the second ticket to the next paying customer. I do this at toll booths too.

I have been blessed with the ability to make a lot of money and, with my socialist sensi-bilities, I like to share the wealth.
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 03:39PM
That is awesome Walter! Good for you! I am working very hard in life so that i too can help others out. I have been very blessed in my life and feel that I am called to help others. Love hearing stories like that. Keep up that good positive work Walter! I am sure you have made blessed a lot of people!
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 08, 2013 04:08PM
I like that Walter. I have paid for others a few times at grocery stores, bought lunch for strangers at my local burger place. It doesn't have to be a lot, it can be very meaningful for both parties. Maybe you paid my toll on thanksgiving a couple years ago, i'll never forget that!

Love that reggae!
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 09, 2013 11:15AM
It feels much better to give than to receive.. Nice act Walter
Re: Reggae Oregon: State of the Dis-Union
August 09, 2013 11:57AM
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It feels much better to give than to receive.. Nice act Walter


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