We nah clap

In response to the earlier thread about Saturday's energy or lack here of...

So over the years at various reggae shows, fests, etc I have noticed that the crowd generally is not super into clapping or really showing a ton of apprecilove. I admit I've been one of these non clappers, but have been making a point to show love after each tune. I'm not sure if it's 'nah cool' or if people are too red to put down the splog and clap ya hands. Artists definitely feed off the vibe from the audience, which has the ability to take a show in two totally different directions: encore and fulla vibes or a short show with little connection. After all, we're not all packing Airhorns ( thank goodness), so we haffi show love somehow. Let these artists feel ya massive!!

Now here is a subject I've thought a lot about over the years. I have noticed the same thing, the northern cali ganja crowd does not clap wildly after a song, usually to the disappointment of the performers who rely on vocal egging on to make the crowd make noise. When there are more drinkers in the crowd, there is more cheering after the song. I am always guilty of not clapping much after a song, even if i'm not holding a videocamera. But this does not speak to how absorbed I am in the music, nor whether i'm enjoying it. A few years ago while taping a Dezarie show, I was completely swept away by the music, and the face I was making reflected the pained place my mind was in. Some young man passed by and said, basically, 'Smile old guy', and I realized I wasn't , even though I was enjoying myself to the maximum. It's made me more aware of the face I show others and sometimes I smile when i'm not feeling it during a show so it doesn't weird others out. I try and show my appreciation at the end of the show instead of at the end of each song. I'd rather they went right into the next song anyway with little or no yack in between.

Love that reggae!

definite cali thing. artists, whether reggae or bluegrass or electronica or jambands, get the same response here. go to colorado, the south or the east coast those crowds always blow it up, way more energy. i know they like a lickle herb there too so my only guess is people are way too mellow and/or too cool to get hyped up in cali. and they definitely talk way too much during shows.

the difference in crowd response between friday and saturday was immense. there was a smattering of polite applause (Bitty, Mykal Rose) and
then deafening silence. between songs - crickets.
i'm not talking about holding up your bics or hootin' and hollerin' - but there was a definite lack of response on saturday, unlike the small stage friday where the crowd pumped up the performers - I think Chuck Fenda & Josey Wales both fed off the crowd energy and seemed to really enjoy playing.....

big difference in demographics as well..

east coast is one demographic.. which is more celebratory in nature.

west coast is another demographic.. which is not as celebratory in nature..

I would agree Bigvein. Also

east coast = weak ganja

west coast = the bomb

Love that reggae!

As far as call back... I know personally many people that went that wouldn't know any words to songs by said artists, but could probably sing every lyric of Rebelution. I am sure there were many newcomers to reggae, and the festival, this year.

Peace

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I would agree Bigvein. Also

east coast = weak ganja

west coast = the bomb

has nothing to do with weed.. but on that note, you do know weed affects black people differently than whites..

but to the point..

the crowds on the east coast are mainly black.

the crowds on the west coast hail from the seed of lewis and clark.

I'm from Cali and I made it a point to "make some noise", so much so that by the end of the weekend I lost my voice. Daniel if someone turned in a lost voice its mine. Just hold onto it until next year for me.

the irish are the real inhabitants and builders of egypt. this explains the soulful music coming from that northern isle.

mick hucknall, bono, just a couple of many..

hard to clap when you got a beer in one hand and a spliff in the other

wow, I've never considered this (well maybe a little). I'm a Cali bwoy thru & thru, and I ALWAYS clap &/or yell in appreciation between/during songs (when it's deserved). That said, there have been times when I'm a little annoyed when the audience around me doesn't seem as hyped and don't show much appreciation. As stated above, the performers tend to feed off the crowd, so if you show love they tend to respond positively. Better for everyone around. Plus it's more interactive and less passive!

And yes Ragaduffin, some people talk WAY too much during shows! Highly disrespectful to both the performers and those around them! If you want to have a conversation in the middle of a performance, please move to the back! It reminds me of 2 years ago when Lutan Fyah was at the Village stage. I had moved my way to be close to the stage & vibes, and then these 2 girls in front of me decide to have a full on full volume conversation about their personal lives in the middle of a killer set by Lutan! Super annoying, and I almost let them know but bit my lip and just moved elsewhere. Next time they'll get an ear full!

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hard to clap when you got a beer in one hand and a spliff in the other

and nero fiddles..

I think I smell hater sauce..... Yep... Definately hater sauce.

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....... you do know weed affects black people differently than whites..

Thanks for reminding me how much of a racialist jackass you are... I almost forgot there for a second...

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FullWatts on your stereo...™

I want to know who bigvein clapped for at the fest this weekend. His is the definitive opinion on this board. And his sweeping generalizations about race and culture are like precious gems (or tiny turds), depending on your race, culture, and/or geographic location.

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I would agree Bigvein. Also

east coast = weak ganja

west coast = the bomb

has nothing to do with weed.. but on that note, you do know weed affects black people differently than whites..

but to the point..

the crowds on the east coast are mainly black.

the crowds on the west coast hail from the seed of lewis and clark.

The weed thing is funny but otherwise this is true. First thing I noticed when moving to Ohio (of all places)...reggae shows here are are ~80% black & Caribbean peeps, on the West Coast it's the opposite. A dancehall show in New York will be at least 90% black & West Indian. And we know how vocal WI people can be...

I don't know about that one bigvein...
I think weed can effect people differently...but being white or black has nothing to do with it man! The strengths and strains and latitude of where you are at has a say in things and how it can effect a persons high.
Could you elaborate a bit more or give us some examples or personal experiences of this to help us understand that statement a bit more?
Or I'll just chalk it up to somthing you typed before thinking.

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Malolo
I want to know who bigvein clapped for at the fest this weekend. His is the definitive opinion on this board. And his sweeping generalizations about race and culture are like precious gems (or tiny turds), depending on your race, culture, and/or geographic location.

He doesn't ever go to the fest.... I think he was talking about maybe going to 1 day but I'm sure he didn't make it.

I clap all the time and cheer on the artist. Even with a spliff and beer in my hand. But then again I'm from WA.

some back story.. in my rare spare time i enjoy reading forums from all areas of racial thought. specifically white pride sites and black unity sites. some interesting folks on each side. one of the common perceptions on the white pride side is that blacks are amped up from weed while whites are mellowed. something to do with the differences in the formation of the skull and how it impacts blood flow and neural pathway growth.
anyway, my weed reference was to see who would bite on the 'white pride' thing.. also, it was a play on nomo's "black athlete thug" generalization. see the donald sterling thread.

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I don't know about that one bigvein...
I think weed can effect people differently...but being white or black has nothing to do with it man! The strengths and strains and latitude of where you are at has a say in things and how it can effect a persons high.
Could you elaborate a bit more or give us some examples or personal experiences of this to help us understand that statement a bit more?
Or I'll just chalk it up to somthing you typed before thinking.

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Malolo
I want to know who bigvein clapped for at the fest this weekend. His is the definitive opinion on this board. And his sweeping generalizations about race and culture are like precious gems (or tiny turds), depending on your race, culture, and/or geographic location.

He doesn't ever go to the fest.... I think he was talking about maybe going to 1 day but I'm sure he didn't make it.

I clap all the time and cheer on the artist. Even with a spliff and beer in my hand. But then again I'm from WA.

june is a very busy time.. we go from funding discussions, winter, to platform launches, spring, to realization, summer. fall is usually soak and break/fix.
so hard to get away when i am 24/7 deployment calls.

Hold on one second Bigvein, I never said black athlete, you read that in. I said nba athletes were thugs, and you decided that meant black. Most of the racial generalizations on the board in the last six months have been from you, whether sincere or just bomb dropping to see who you can get a rise out of.

Love that reggae!

Interesting thought on the skull size bigvein...I'd be interested in learning about studies on this subject now that weed is legal. In fact how it might effect all different races.

On a personal story....
Waaaay back over a decade ago I was on st croix at this tiny bar listening to Army and Nyorah sing...I'll never forget that Nyorah was just a kid back then, anyways....my friend and I were the only white guys there. The locals were smoking in the bathroom and everytime I'd go take a leak they would blow smoke in my face and talking loud and giving me a little slack....I could tell that they were smoking leaf or complete garbage, so after a few drinks I had the courage to bust out some strong bud I had with me. First of all they were shocked to know there is weed that was purple...I smoked a bowl with them and gave them a nug...regardless to say...they sure piped down after that! Either I had their respect or they were to stoned to chat chat?
Just a personal note on the subject...

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nomotrouble
Hold on one second Bigvein, I never said black athlete, you read that in. I said nba athletes were thugs, and you decided that meant black. Most of the racial generalizations on the board in the last six months have been from you, whether sincere or just bomb dropping to see who you can get a rise out of.

to set the record straight so you know the sincere from the droppings.

are jews financially keen and business wise ? yes.

are europeans innovative ? yes
lets face it, europeans 'discovered' the Egyptian hieroglyphs, and were inspired to travel space. meaning for every european 'discovery' they built upon it and drew some type of inspiration. without european innovation, we arent playing over the wire today. real talk or whatever 'hip phrase' you want to use.

are mexicans hard working and industrious ? yes

are blacks physically stronger, quicker, more athletic? yes

are polynesians just big as a house? yes

are asians smart, industrious, and overall wise people ? yes

are arabs and persians people of utmost conviction? yes

to find offense in this is to deny the blessing given to each nation.

whats more, as i dont edit, subtract, nor delete.. since in this time we must deal with addition. not subtraction. backward never forward ever..

if you check it, i sight up every nations positive attributes. i sight up their blessing. you never seen my posts come with some 'white boy this', 'black boy this' 'chiney guy this'

my posts always big up each nation. i envision a day where each nation utilize their blessing for the upliftment of their own, and for the upliftment of others.

more life!

Actually, to find offense with that is more like a test that you aren't a racist. Each one of those generalizations are false.

Love that reggae!

WOW WEE............I clapped all frigin weekend for the record, much to the chagrin of NOMO who kept lookin over his shoulder with a 'shut up man I'm recording here' look.

But I say... Some Never Even Plant yet want to Reap,
If you run, be careful, try to look before you leap;
Took a little walk from my Vineyard...
Now I'm on my own
Now I'm left alone..



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nomotrouble
Actually, to find offense with that is more like a test that you aren't a racist. Each one of those generalizations are false.

oh.. you joined the cool kids club.. you labeled someone a 'racist'.. too funny and ironic. or maybe its a deflection of who the real 'racist' is.. but fact check.. i have never called any one a racist. i could care less what another thinks of black people.. or of any people. i have full confidence within myself to make things happen in this world. so if one stands in the way, i go round them.

respect each time nomo, but please stop trying to prove how 'non-racist' you are..

"Me thinks thou doth protest too much.. "

I am a yeller and a talk backer. My voice was very weak by Sunday eve. I did notice on Sunday the lack of crowd enthusiasm as I stood in the front at the Valley Stage. At one point some young man looked at me as if he was annoyed that I was being so vocal. I know the artists like when they get feedback from the audience. It's fun to interact back with them. Even my 6 year old this morning was still saying and singing "can I go home now" "noooooo" "we want more" lol

....oh and artists, please know who your crowd is, at least what city or state you are in. Thank you very much.

LOL Mulligan....ya know!

I always clap and scream and brup brup brup when i am feeling it. In fact sometimes when watching vids or listening to live recordings, I am almost embarrassed at how loud I am. Almost. If you are feeling the vibe, the show will almost always be better if the artist feels that you are feeling the vibe.

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wow "Polynesians are as big as a house"?. If u don't realize how blatantly racist and offensive that is u are delusional. your list is ridiculous and has no merit or any relevance to this post at all. Epic Fail. On a real note, I always clap or whistle or yell when I am appreciative of an artists performance. Which at SNWMF is usually every time!

~Highest Heightz Every Time~

I just have to laugh when threads go sideways

BOOM! This thread has been BIGVEINED!

It's almost just like a real conversation, between real people, but on steroids...with wild-ass generalizations designed to intrigue...and insult!

Back to topic: I think that we are all spoiled out here on the west coast. So many opportunities to see reggae, still...way more shows than most anywhere else. (And I have lived on both coasts and deep in the midwest).

When the performers really bring it, and engage the west coast audience, they get their applause in due measure.

Food always tastes better when you are hungry.

Irie.



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Lame big vein,, your comments speak for themselves your not adding to the reasoning , your comments are totally ridiculous. Flinging dookie is your MO. Race pride websites and pure phukery? It just always seems to come back to race or you drAwing someone out for entertainment?

I was not proving anything about myself BigV, I was pointing out that your use of words in this case falls under the definition of racist. Look it up. I don't know you well, and don't know whether you are a racist or just someone who 'flings dookie'. However, the phrases you used and the statements you typed are solid gold racism. Makes one wonder why you do this in the first place. Love that Reggae!

Love that reggae!

Pretty much

Why do you guys even engage these douchebag comments? It just creates a bunch of noise and changes the course of the thread while sucking your energy. Ignoring and sticking to the topic seems much more effective.

Good idea...i'm going to pay attention later in the summer at rotr and one love one heart and see how the audiences react there. Interesting subject with no easy answer. Maybe it's us old people that don't make as much noise while the young are laying it all out.

Love that reggae!

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Lame big vein,, your comments speak for themselves your not adding to the reasoning , your comments are totally ridiculous. Flinging dookie is your MO. Race pride websites and pure phukery? It just always seems to come back to race or you drAwing someone out for entertainment?

90% of one drop reggae deals with race and african pride.. or do you just celebrate the coonery and spliff smoking side of reggae?

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wow "Polynesians are as big as a house"?. If u don't realize how blatantly racist and offensive that is u are delusional. your list is ridiculous and has no merit or any relevance to this post at all. Epic Fail. On a real note, I always clap or whistle or yell when I am appreciative of an artists performance. Which at SNWMF is usually every time!

how is that an offense? have you been to any samoan flag day? ever been to a tongan function? those people are swole to no end.

i started a topic about lack of crowd energy on Saturday nite. It was about the weak crowd response to the Saturday performers on the
big stage. The energy level and audience response at the village stage friday was loud and involved. I was pointing out that energy was
absent Saturday. NOT that old people were there or young people yell more or (l)east coast vs best coast or black vs white....It was a
one time saturday nite thing that I noticed and commented on....mainly i wanted to see if others noticed it too...

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Why do you guys even engage these douchebag comments? It just creates a bunch of noise and changes the course of the thread while sucking your energy. Ignoring and sticking to the topic seems much more effective.

i like to think smnwf folks are conscious and can deal with certain topics heard in reggae music. but when it comes down to it, its only a subset of the genre's subjects folks feel comfortable touching. weed, party, and more weed.

when the topic of african pride, african struggle is brought up, its 'racist'

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i like to think smnwf folks are conscious and can deal with certain topics heard in reggae music.....

we are and we can. Just quit hijacking threads. start your own thread, quit sh1tting in other folks posts..

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i like to think smnwf folks are conscious and can deal with certain topics heard in reggae music.....

we are and we can. Just quit hijacking threads. start your own thread, quit sh1tting in other folks posts..

mulligan follow the flow my friend.

1. you mentioned little clapping.
2. someone mentioned its a cali thing
3. i mentioned its definetly a demographic thing
4. some chimed in with some weed talk
5. i clarified #3 citing the racial makeup of those demographics
6. from there folks bnrought up racism

i didnt hi jack anything.. i responded to claims of race baiting.. and here we are

Observations and opinions from actual festival attendees are pertinent and interesting to me. Bigvein's contributions are not, until he shows up and actually participates.

Just my 2 cents.

Appeared to be fewer people overall this year, especially Friday. Saturday was pretty mellow in the shady spots. Seemed like most people that claimed shade did not use the space until dark. Lot's of empty blankets and chairs taking up valuable space. Those empty chairs and lonely blankets sure weren't clapping.

And on a side note, I notice that the frequent, and often excellent, club shows down here in Santa Cruz are as loud and well-charged, as ever. We love our reggae here, and the artists usually hear it.

Personally, I get up and dance and clap whenever anyone is playing, sometimes more enthusiastically for some performers and bands than others. I do not participate in the "repeat after me" sing along or wave your hands in the air stuff, just kills it for me because it takes away from the music ......the performers that bring people up, then slow it down, share a brief story or thought, then bring it back up, typically get the best crowd response in California in my observations.....this is true of most any genre of music I can think of, not just reggae. Buddy Guy for example is one of the best live performers I've ever seen for that very reason......KRS One and the Roots at the Maritime Hall/SF in 94 another none reggae example.....

Frankly I get hyped on the overall musicianship of the bands along with the singer and also instrument solos. The singalong stuff I usually don't do, but will if I'm really into it. There's definitely more than one dynamic that goes into this topic and people have touched on some of them. For me the weekend was wonderful. Every band that I wanted to see and got to see was great besides Shaggy. I didn't need to clap or wave my hands or display World Cup rabidity that so many Caribbeans are known for with their music too, although I did a couple times. I love that, admire it, and often participate when it gets that way. One that really sticks in my mind was Kevin Lyttle in 04 I believe at The Ragamuffins Festival in Long Beach. At that time Turn Me On was a hit and I remember a ton of Caribbean people flocking in for his performance. They were waving little flags from different nations and went crazy when he came out. My lack of outward emotion or love usually doesn't represent my satisfaction and euphoria at that moment. I was hyped for The Colonel and Mr. Morgan for sure. Definitely got into the Black Slate set. Was up front dancing and mesmerized by U-Roy's set. This year's fest seemed very relaxed and chill. Didn't bother me that there wasn't as many people or as much energy as last year.

As for big vein this is the last thing i will say publicly about it. After that if you have anything to say to me please just PM me. I'd rather it be done that way than polluting threads. I don't have a problem touching on any topic. Interest is something else. I'm focused on the works. Rather than blame your perpetuating a thread going sideways on others who went sideways before you, how about you be one of those people that puts the topic back on course. You don't have to walk through the door just because it's open then blame others for opening the door.

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wow "Polynesians are as big as a house"?. If u don't realize how blatantly racist and offensive that is u are delusional. your list is ridiculous and has no merit or any relevance to this post at all. Epic Fail. On a real note, I always clap or whistle or yell when I am appreciative of an artists performance. Which at SNWMF is usually every time!

how is that an offense? have you been to any samoan flag day? ever been to a tongan function? those people are swole to no end.

I have many Samoan and Tongan friends an yes some of them are swole but this is like saying all black people are tall basketball players. The majority of my islander peoples are around my size which is 5'10 and 165. So yes to generalize a race or nationality after the boo ya tribe is racist. Us blacks are all not like the lakers either or nwa.

2009. st. thomas, usvi.
taken during buju or anthony b or bounty killer, might have been lady saw.
this same crowd who was looking all bummed out for the heavy hitter reggae artists went full ecstatic for rapper Trina.
u just never kno.

look how celebratory everyone was during alyson hinds big soca artist

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wow "Polynesians are as big as a house"?. If u don't realize how blatantly racist and offensive that is u are delusional. your list is ridiculous and has no merit or any relevance to this post at all. Epic Fail. On a real note, I always clap or whistle or yell when I am appreciative of an artists performance. Which at SNWMF is usually every time!

how is that an offense? have you been to any samoan flag day? ever been to a tongan function? those people are swole to no end.

I have many Samoan and Tongan friends an yes some of them are swole but this is like saying all black people are tall basketball players. The majority of my islander peoples are around my size which is 5'10 and 165. So yes to generalize a race or nationality after the boo ya tribe is racist. Us blacks are all not like the lakers either or nwa.

you are so right.. i guess with me being polish, i see the world through the eyes of "white privilege"
so i may be less sensitive to the black and brown peoples of the world. i apologize and bow to your feet.
the white guilt i have at this moment is more than one can bear. maybe you can help.. is there a sensitivity training course that you would recommend? pick a black educational charity and i will donate $500 or more.. anything else? do you have contact with your local NCAAP chapter? maybe we can coordinate my official apology with them? and at that time i can hand over my donation check. think on it and respond to the board. i want them to follow along in my recovery process. the transformation of BV.. from white polish racist to white polish rebel down with the cause.

Hah! Good ones bv. There are like four or five separate turds in that response.

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didnt make the fest... but did the next best thing by taking a quick trip to NYC..

the I inna Harlem... 06-18-2011

missed a shabba show that night.. was too busy checking the sights(female that is) inna Harlem.. Oh my GOSH!!

Back to the clapping, I holler, jump, bopp,bopp,bopp when the body and energy feels it.
I'm surrounded by my 4 kids, and they are doing the same.

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Even my 6 year old this morning was still saying and singing "can I go home now" "noooooo" "we want more" lol

Too Cute!!!! my kids kept repeating this too.

Clapping is OK - but DANCING is the thing! We needed more dancing to up the groove!

Very lively debate around the campfire recently, actually jumped off from a discussion around Dana White being akin to Don King, but here is where it got hot:

What would the reaction be, if there was a white UFC fighter having White Pride tatted on his collarbone like Cain Velasquez Brown Pride neck tat??

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Very lively debate around the campfire recently, actually jumped off from a discussion around Dana White being akin to Don King, but here is where it got hot:

What would the reaction be, if there was a white UFC fighter having White Pride tatted on his collarbone like Cain Velasquez Brown Pride neck tat??

wont happen in the first place. your country is being invaded or reconquested(reconquista) and you arent doing one thing about it.. just happy to have one beer in hand and a spliff in the other. i laugh as i see people falling over themselves to prove how down they are.. only to be booted from their seat of 'dominance' in the next 20-30 years.

Man BV tryin to read sarcasm is tough so at this point little disappointed in your reply, you are usually pretty engaging in your posts but this one is Borderline trollin but I'll bite. Im sure there are plenty of Woods with White Pride tats (Irish Pride?) out there puttin in the work ready to jump in the UFC that could give 2 sheets about the PC police but I doubt Fox or UFC would condone that ish for TV! Let's not split hairs here what it's all about!! $$$.
As for it bein my country? You turn in your ex pat paperwork?? Leavin USA behind for greener pastures?
Best of Luck in all your endeavors!

nothing funny or sarcastic in my response..

but fact check.

1. this is a white ruled and dominated country. so its yours to lose.

2. i have never knocked this country. i live freely and do quite well. i just recognize that in the grand scheme of things my best interests are not considered.

3. i appreciate all ethnics and want all to be proud of who they are. if someone has all kind of irish/germans/etc pride tats/cothing, i am not offended. too many punks and scary cats around these days just curl up in a ball if a white person shows pride. are white people that dominant that just by their showing of pride we melt like butter ?