Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile

Advanced

Etana Drumpf

Posted by Ras_Adam 
Etana Drumpf
September 25, 2016 12:37AM
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 12:49AM
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 02:38AM
The Democrat Republic divide and conquer concept is antiquated. If you are a democrat, you are supposed to believe in this that and the other. Same goes if you are a republican. Democrats are perceived to be about the people and republicans are perceived to be about business. The democrats do a great job of playing on emotions (so do repubs, but more so democrats). Instead of weighing/voting for which group you think cares more about you as a person, just ask which group might lead to a better chance at a better quality of life. I'd ask, "do we want more welfare, or do we want more opportunity?" The concept of "every man working to earn" is actually pretty consistent with Rastafarian ideology. About immigration, its funny, Bill Clinton used to speak about protecting our southern border with no reprisal. Today, if you talk about protecting the southern border, it is deemed fascist. Last I checked, having a border was one of the parameters that defines a nation. The Green Party seems the most reasonable, but we know we are still dominated by a two party system.
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 04:16PM
Well said Iyah Trod...
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 06:23PM
Quote
IYah_Trod
The Democrat Republic divide and conquer concept is antiquated. If you are a democrat, you are supposed to believe in this that and the other. Same goes if you are a republican. Democrats are perceived to be about the people and republicans are perceived to be about business. The democrats do a great job of playing on emotions (so do repubs, but more so democrats). Instead of weighing/voting for which group you think cares more about you as a person, just ask which group might lead to a better chance at a better quality of life. I'd ask, "do we want more welfare, or do we want more opportunity?" The concept of "every man working to earn" is actually pretty consistent with Rastafarian ideology. About immigration, its funny, Bill Clinton used to speak about protecting our southern border with no reprisal. Today, if you talk about protecting the southern border, it is deemed fascist. Last I checked, having a border was one of the parameters that defines a nation. The Green Party seems the most reasonable, but we know we are still dominated by a two party system.

I take it that you are going to vote for Trump, Iyah_Trod -- Rastafarian ideology? Please expound more on the similarities on Trump's positions with Rastafarian ideology - I'm fascinated by the very concept, because that statement seems to be in conflict with the "social living is the best" aspect of Rasta ideology.

How have we been led to this state of affairs? Here's how Trump has done it:

1. Sowing Seeds of Fear

Trump has said, “You’re going to have more World Trade Centers. It’s going to get worse and worse, folks,” and “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re bringing drugs; they’re bringing crime; they’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” These are blatant instances of fear-mongering. Trump deliberately hones in on frightening statistical rarities -- terrorist attacks against the US and immigrants who are dangerous rapists -- and acts like they’ve become the norm. Violence has actually declined over recent decades and centuries, but Trump makes it seem like the opposite has happened.

Why does he do this? Fear is an incredibly powerful emotion. It captures our attention like no other emotion can. We focus intensely on the thing that is giving us that fear. Secondly, it shuts down higher thinking. When we’re terrified by a bump in the night, we don’t focus on the probability that it’s just the wind. Our critical thinking skills dip as we focus solely on protecting ourselves. Thirdly, it feels crappy, so the fastest way to get out of fear and move toward a powerful emotion is to move into anger.

News outlets portray the world as a terrifying place because doing so captures people’s attention. Trump is doing the same thing. Fear ensnares our attention like nothing else can, while simultaneously short-circuiting our higher cognitive functioning. This is unsettling because our natural response to fear is to escape or destroy whatever is threatening us as quickly as possible.

2. Provoking Anger and Hostility

It is quite natural for humans to cope with fear by becoming angry and aggressive. Trump fuels this fire of fear-driven rage and hostility as much as he possibly can and directs it toward non-American groups. He says things like “China is taking our jobs; they’re taking our money,” and “Syrians are now being caught at the Southern border; we don’t know who they are; could be ISIS.”

He sets up false dichotomies between the interests of Americans and the interests of other humans of the world, such that if you disagree with him, you appear to be anti-American. This leaves many credulous viewers with one obvious response: to be an angry, aggressive, Trump-supporting American who views the rest of the world with suspicion and aggression!

3. Playing the Big Strong Messiah Figure

This potent combination of fear-, anger-, and aggression-mongering then sets Trump up for one of his most effective lies: that he is the only big, strong man tough enough to do what needs to be done to kick everyone else’s ass and “make America great again.” Trump makes unrealistic claims such as “No one else will keep you safe,” and “No one is going to mess with us.” He presents himself as the most dominant and strongest-willed candidate — the only candidate capable of returning the US to its rightful position as Imminent, Dominant Global Superpower.

But again, do we need America to dominate other countries/entities at this point in history? It’s likely that some amount of military action is advisable, as certain groups (e.g. ISIS) are committing brutal crimes against innocent people. However, if one looks at the bigger picture, it becomes clear that cooperation rather than conflict must become the rule in the human enterprise, if the human species is to persist into the deep future. On a planet now laced with nuclear warheads, unbounded aggression is no longer an option. And in a biosphere facing various environmental crises, our species must recognize the collective goal of devising sustainable systems to avert catastrophe.

But research has suggested that conservative-minded people respond more aggressively to threatening situations than liberal-minded people. Instinctively aggressive people respond favorably to Trump’s call for a return to an Ultra-Dominant America.

That some people are more instinctively aggressive than others is not a “bad” thing. Clearly, this arrangement was beneficial in our primal past, or we would not have evolved this way. However, we don’t live in the world of our distant ancestors anymore. We live in a world in which excessive aggression/conflict is a potential threat to the entire biosphere and all sentient life. Thus, we need leaders who are capable of taking calculated aggressive measures after a thorough analysis of all available courses of action, not leaders whose default response to problematic circumstances is to use hyper-aggressive military force, as Trump wishes to do.

4. Painting Everything as Black and White

The world is a complex and ambiguous place, but admitting this reality is not a good political strategy. It’s much more effective to paint the world as a simple place where things are either X or not-X. To do so is to commit the ‘false dilemma’ fallacy. A quintessential example is a much-cited statement made by George W. Bush in 2001: “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

It comforts people to tell them that things must be either this or that because it makes them feel that they understand the insanely complex bramble of global affairs that no individual human actually understands en toto. Trump is brilliant at reducing the complexity of the world to black-and-white narratives. One of his favorites is the narrative of Winners vs Losers. In Trump’s story, America has been unambiguously losing in recent memory; America is becoming a perma-loser before our eyes, and we’re just getting used to it. Of course, with Trump as president, America is going to start winning again in all regards. “We’re going to start winning so much that you’re going to get used to winning instead of getting used to losing,” he has said. Does it even make sense to conceive of individual countries as “winners” or “losers” in a world where the future of our entire species and all life on Earth is potentially at stake? Probably not.

Yet Trump’s black-and-white narrative appeals to our desire for simple, digestible stories and our American hyper-competitiveness. And again, when people are afraid and angry, they are primed to accept whatever convenient narrative promises to allow them to escape their fear, and thus the absurdly vague and reductive America is Going to Start Winning So Much Again That We’ll Have Nothing to Worry About story begins to seem quite alluring indeed.

5. Deflection Via Humor

One downside of portraying yourself as the Big Strong Man is that there will still always be situations in which someone gets the best of you, making you appear foolish or weak. Donald Trump has found himself in this situation on a number of occasions. One of the most notable was a situation in which Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly confronted Trump about past comments in which Trump had called women he disliked “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.” This question was a potential landmine for Trump, but he interrupted Megyn Kelly halfway through her question by saying, “Only Rosie O’Donnell.” This comment caused an uproar of laughter in the audience and all but derailed the inquiry into Trump’s juvenile and dehumanizing remarks. Trump has perfected this strategy of deflecting potential threats through the use of humor.

So that is the power of laughter. It is a pattern interruption. You can’t stay booing and upset and angry when somebody makes you uncontrollably laugh. It also makes you more receptive to whatever comes next that somebody has to say because they’ve already started to lead you emotionally. So what Donald Trump is doing is using laughter to take control of situations where he’s starting to lose control. And what that does for him is it effectively helps him dodge any points that you make against him because he can almost erase them with a laughing crowd.

6. Acting Superior to Opponents

Humor isn’t Trump’s only strategy for avoiding discussion of some of the more contentious issues in his record. Another favorite strategy of his is to simply act superior to all opponents and criticisms.

In one of the GOP debates, Jeb Bush attempted to point out that Donald Trump had completely changed his stance on ISIS in a matter of two months. As Jeb was saying this, Trump didn’t even pay him the courtesy of looking in his direction. Instead, he looked only at the audience with an expression of disbelief and disgust that said, “Who is this guy?” This maneuver indicates to the audience that Bush’s attack is ridiculous, laughable, not even worthy of attention, allowing Trump to bypass any sort of rational discussion. By contrast, when Trump attacked Bush, Bush looked directly at Trump with an expression of distress and disconcertedness, playing perfectly into Trump’s game. Jeb appeared to be something of a confused and insecure novice looking to Big Daddy Trump for answers.

7. Doing Whatever Possible to Make it His Game

This point is related to the previous two, but it deserves emphasis. Trump’s power plays -- whether making jokes in the face of criticism or acting superior to other candidates -- are all aimed at making him appear as the leader of a game in which everyone else is merely a player. In social dynamics, this is referred to as “frame control.” Trump frames every interaction as if he is unquestionably superior to those around him, as if everyone else is in his world. When it comes to politics, whichever politician has the strongest and most unflinching frame will make that frame a perceived reality. And Trump is very good at unflinchingly selling his frame. As a billionaire, thick-skinned businessman, he’s been practicing this tactic for decades. Combine this with his fear-mongering, anger-mongering, and presenting himself as the One Great Strong Solution to Loser America, and you’ve got a potent combination of factors coming together to make Donald Trump appear to be an untouchable, iron-willed leader in comparison to his opponents.

8. Creating Double-Bind Situations

Another of Trump’s favorite tactics (and another form of frame control) is to trap other candidates in double-bind situations. Essentially, this means that he puts them in positions where it doesn’t matter what they say or how they react to him — however they respond, he will come out looking better and they will come out looking worse. For example, Trump taunting Jeb Bush about having low energy during one of the GOP debates. Trump says, “I know you’re trying to build up your energy, Jeb, but it’s not working.” In the face of such a statement, Jeb Bush has two options: to try to ratchet his energy up or keep it where it is/take it down a notch. If he chooses the former, he appears to be reacting to Trump, making Trump look like he’s in control. If he chooses the latter, he remains low-energy and Trump can just steamroll him throughout the debate. It’s a lose-lose situation for Jeb Bush, and this is the power of a double-bind.

9. Repetition

Donald Trump repeats emotionally provocative words like “strong” and “win” over and over and over. This tactic subtly conditions people to associate strength and victory with the Trump campaign. You might think that this tactic is silly or would only be effective on unintelligent people, but you’d be wrong. There’s a reason large companies pour millions of dollars into ad campaigns with catchy taglines and jingles: through sheer repetition, certain associations become embedded in the mind, if only on an unconscious level. Watch the documentary Century of the Self sometime if you don’t believe me.

10. Social proof

Trump loves to hammer social proof. He repeats over and over and over that he’s ahead in the polls or that people agree he won a particular debate. As social creatures, we have a distinct and sometimes malignant tendency to do and believe whatever we think everyone else is doing and believing. Trump understands the importance of this fact, and so at every turn, he acts as if he has an army of people behind him. Trump is also very careful to avoid negative social proof. For instance, at one point Trump appeared on the O’Reilly Factor, and Bill O’Reilly suggested that people had seen Trump as a “buffoon” when he first announced his campaign. Trump outright rejected this statement, acted as if it was outrageous, and assured the audience that people did not feel that way. He was very deliberate and forceful about this because he knows that what people think other people think is one of the most potent forces driving human belief and behavior. His decades in business almost certainly ingrained that lesson into his mind.

11. Appeals to Authority

Trump loves to assert that authority figures approve of him and disapprove of other candidates. Trump has said “Larry Kudlow likes my tax plan,” and “Experts wonder if Cruz can run the US because he was born in Canada.” Trump understands that especially in our uncertain postmodern world with its endless sources of competing information, people look to experts to form their opinions. There is also a cognitive bias known as the Asch effect that is relevant here.

From Wikipedia: “In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect. Further, humans have been shown to feel strong emotional pressure to conform to authorities and majority positions.”

So not only do we tend to feel pressure to conform with the herd, but we also feel pressure to agree with high-status individuals.

Here’s an off-the-cuff armchair-evolutionary-psych explanation for this phenomenon: When our ancestors lived as bands of hunter-gatherers, it was beneficial to have an extraordinary level of cohesion of belief and action in a given tribe; it was often a matter of life or death. Thus, tribes in which people unquestioningly accepted the worldview passed on by wise elders and readily conformed to the herd mentality would be more likely to survive.

Anyway, for whatever reason, we’re much more likely to believe something if an authority figure or expert tells us it’s true. Trump understands this and takes advantage of it at every turn.

12. Appealing to Irrational Parts of Our Brains

This might come as a surprise, but humans actually suck at making rational decisions and are much more likely to make emotion-driven decisions. This is a great thing a lot of the time because in many areas of life, our emotions and feelings are excellent indicators of an appropriate course of action. But when it comes to choosing the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, it might be a bad idea to vote for a guy because his smile gives you the warm fuzzies. Unfortunately, it’s damn difficult for humans to use rationality, especially if they haven’t been trained to think critically or haven’t researched the various cognitive biases that result in inaccurate thinking.

Donald Trump knows that most people make their decisions on the basis of emotion rather than reason. He also knows that there are certain methods of manipulating people’s emotions to get them to do what you want. Most all of the items on this list — from fear-/anger-mongering and deflection via humor to repetition, social proof, and appeal to authority — are effective methods of making people feel very confident about a position, despite the fact that they haven’t considered any statistical evidence or rational arguments.

Donald Trump understands this, and that’s why you’ll never see him engaging in a rational discussion of the issues or of the criticisms levied against him. When challenged to do so, Trump will deflect via humor, appeal to vague authorities or social proof, or utilize some sort of half-relevant anecdote to appeal to emotion and distract from his shortcomings.
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 07:05PM
Waldorf,

Glad to fascinate you but I don’t see any conflict in what I stated. Lower the levels pon the assumption, and it might be clear. It was a general sentiment, not law or gospel. However, I didn’t mention Trump, nor did I mention social living. Indeed, as Burning Spear say, Social living is the best, and no man is an island. However there are nuff derivations based off the root of social, ie. Sociology, social work, socialism, etc. What I was saying was nothing in reference to any of those. I was speaking about the innate desire to be able to work to earn. I think nuff of the lamentation in reggae is about not having that opportunity, or not receiving a fair wage. Check Everton Blender, “Family Man“ if need be. Anthony B speaks about working in “Raid the Barn”. Too many examples to include herein.

If you picked up on any leanings in my post, I would again caution regarding the assumption of my vote. Any leanings one way or the other are more to the fact that democrats have for long time been able to pretty much count on the majority of the African American vote. I do not see the fruit. Teach the man to fish, don’t just give him the fish.

Sizzla “Work hard for what yuh want, yuh cyah stop earn”




Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 09:39PM
The fruit of the democrats support may not be quantifiable, only in comparison to what would be if that support had not been. That why Trump can say what has their support gotten you, to the black community, and then tells one of his big lies, that the african american community is worse off than they've ever been. The only fruit that exists is in the right to a fair education so that one can go earn ones bread. If you think that a Trump administration would further education in the african american community, you have not been paying attention to the man's words and deeds.

The worst thing the republicans have done is lower the confidence in government, so that you can say it doesn't matter which party wins. It matters big time.

Trump is a racist liar, why would you listen to anything else he has to say? His tax plan alone would set us back decades. If i and those i loved didn't have to suffer the consequences of his vacuous leadership, i would say go ahead and elect him and feel the pain of his stupidity.

Well said, Walter, well said.

Love that reggae!
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 26, 2016 09:53PM
Now I'm hungry for a Waldorf Salad.

I took these statements of yours as a leaning toward Trump:

"About immigration, its funny, Bill Clinton used to speak about protecting our southern border with no reprisal. Today, if you talk about protecting the southern border, it is deemed fascist. Last I checked, having a border was one of the parameters that defines a nation."

That sounds like a direct quote from the Orange horse's mouth.

Politically, your many posts on this board paints me a picture of a conservative person. But perhaps you are the opposite -- more a hard-core Bernie supporter -- and that's what has you looking at the Green Party because hey -- Anybody But Clinton. But in the end, a vote for anybody but Clinton is a vote for Trump, a person who would use nuclear weapons on our own allies. He is mentally ill and he is a liar of the first order. If you are an ultra-liberal person, my apologies for the assumption.

I completely agree with you about "work to earn" being a common thread in reggae music. Joseph Hill also sang a few songs about getting up and doing for yourself. I am where I am now due to elbow grease and wits. Laziness can never be rewarded. Fraud must be exposed and punished. People who can work, should work. As a matter of fact, there should be zero unemployment in this country -- who says full-time has to be 40 hours? 40 hours is a relic of the early 20th century. As society evolves, so must our thinking.

But that's just half the coin. My comments about social living addresses the other side. Some people cannot work due to a variety of reasons. These are our people too and, as a society we must support them. We have a moral responsibility to care for these brother and sisters with compassion.

Regarding this: "Any leanings one way or the other are more to the fact that democrats have for long time been able to pretty much count on the majority of the African American vote. I do not see the fruit. Teach the man to fish, don’t just give him the fish."

I agree, regarding the fish analogy.

I hear a disenchantment, frustration, maybe a sense of betrayal, with the perpetuation of the so-called "welfare state" that is typically attached to democrats. To an extent, I suppose it is true -- the social safety net has been a liberal cause since the industrial revolution. What, in particular, is not working for you? And I have another question for you -- What is the 'fruit' you allude to?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2016 02:01PM by Walter.
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 27, 2016 01:39AM
Does Sizzler serve Waldorf Salads?
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 27, 2016 03:20PM
So men in reggae get a blye with misogynist, violent and anti gay lyrics because of culture and religion but all of my social media world burns a big fire on this woman for speaking her mind? Men get to act like raving heathens while chanting righteousness but a woman cant be real?

Y'all might as well come clean and say you don't care because all the music is entertainment and you are entertained by the violence and have suppressed agreement with the anti gay stance. I actually have no problem with that because its honest. I would rather disagree with someone to my face then sell me lies and move different behind my back.
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 27, 2016 07:03PM
big ups papajoshua.

m.

* [www.kboo.fm]
* [www.shocksofsheba.podomatic.com]
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 27, 2016 07:56PM
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 27, 2016 08:13PM
i guess.. while everyone has the right to their opinions, they also have the right to review and revise..
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 28, 2016 01:55AM
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 29, 2016 01:03AM
Today is the 40th anniversary of the release of Stevie’s ‘Songs in the Key of Life’

Ya we got to take care of the practicals & make wise choices about how we govern ourselves … but caution - lest them shadows after dark - keep wi wallow in the superficials and forget



Same thing apply to the other topic about them hater supe-up-star with them macho poser deep belly growl so-called reggae

Quote
Yabby You
Don't listen to a man's word's - watch how him flex



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2016 01:52AM by Peacemakeya.
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 29, 2016 03:07AM
peacemakeya, i always enjoy your posts and edifying words, but there are also times i can't get what you're saying...seriously.

Same thing apply to the other topic about them hater supe-up-star with them macho poser deep belly growl so-called reggae

what are you saying here?

m.

* [www.kboo.fm]
* [www.shocksofsheba.podomatic.com]
Re: Etana Drumpf
September 30, 2016 05:16AM
all i know is etana is a heartical sister seriously political division and religion cause of seperation and strife. yall realize that the democratic party was pro slavery right? and the republican party was the abolitionist party? it all just a game of mirrors really, still cannot believe how it uncork all kinds of mess.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 08, 2016 04:38PM
Frankly I think anyone who supports trump is a mindless, thoughtless person who's eyes and ears are completely shut and should be ashamed of themselves. Even Etana, as much as I like her music. How could anyone choose a leader who consistently lies and cheats and steals and degrades women and Mexicans and Arabs without blinking an eye? He has no regard for equity or justice. Feel free to ask me for particulars and i'll gladly provide documented evidence which we can then go and "fact check". Honestly I think all politicians are a fair bit dishonest but this guy is a bonified liar and bigot proven to be so time after time, again and again. The fact that folks openly support someone of Trump's immoral character tells me much more about them than any of their "ethical professions" could ever tell me.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2016 08:55PM by IamReggae.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 08, 2016 09:55PM
yes, what trump has done and said is not only immoral it is actually CRIMINAL. he fully admits to sexually assaulting women.

i can't stand him. i would not associate with him or his followers...well wait, until it comes to light that people i truly care about are trump supporters.

the last thing i will do is let either of our presidential nominees - trump obviously included - make me stop loving some one.

i'm sure i have family that may be entertained by trump--hope not, but can't count it out. actually, i expect it.
but i will love them regardless.

people posting and postulating that they will cut off all family/friend relations that express support for trump is wild and nonsensical. are they afraid of doing the heavier job of working through this situation? because that's what it will take.

UNCOMFORTABLE honest dialogue with people we love.

that's it. period.

i've always loved friends/family that i may have deemed less intelligent/less caring/less moral whatever.
what's changed?

a different subject matter? and yes, i get that this is serious.

if i don't continue to love and listen to them, what's the point?
being right, which is simply subjective?

a trump apologist--NEVER.
but we need to be real in this because it's serious as ever.

m.

* [www.kboo.fm]
* [www.shocksofsheba.podomatic.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2016 09:58PM by mosquito killer.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 09, 2016 01:01AM
Well...loving someone in your "personal" family who is a narcissistic sociopath bigot like Trump and electing them to lead the entire nation for the next four years are two COMPLETELY different things. Although I wouldn't want to be in the presence of a family member, friend OR a stranger who behaved that way. Just saying...
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 09, 2016 01:27AM
you have confused what i am saying.

i didn't say what my friends/family are like; didn't say they were anything like trump.
really, try reading again.

m.

* [www.kboo.fm]
* [www.shocksofsheba.podomatic.com]
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 09, 2016 01:35AM
No need since I didn't accuse you of anything. I understood your post to be hypothetical. I was simply addressing the general sentiment, which I'm quite positive I did not misinterpret. My life experience has taught me that a leopard does not change his spots.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 01:39AM by IamReggae.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 14, 2016 07:53AM
Very disappointed in Etana. I thought she would be smarter than to support such a vile misogynist, racist POS. Something is very wrong with her.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 15, 2016 07:50AM
She has since retracted that statement, and explained and fully taken the blame for ignorance in her comment, which was also somewhat taken out of context in that edited clip. Not defending what she said, as I was shocked, but felt that the interviews we have seen since, on Irie Fm ebuzz (aired live), and one next program too, she expresses herself well with much more clarity and sincerity...
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 16, 2016 12:27AM
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 16, 2016 01:22AM
Big up, Haile Bless. That is very good to hear.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 24, 2016 01:46AM
In these times as many questioning who is who and who is whoo whoo … The old people, who remember the ancient future, say: “Don’t take sides – take the front.” Ya know like Bro B say … “walk the middle path”

It may surprise some but Grandma Hillary, and the societies she represent, are on the good side of history & regardless they ain’t perfect (are you or i ?) yet they follow in the works of JFK, Howard Thurman, MLK, Paulo Coelho, Bro Barack and a cast of thousands helping advance the human family thru this dispensation toward the age of Truth, Beauty & Goodness.

To the nihilists, the rebels without a cause and the fear driven conspiracy ocd’s who doubt the victory of good over evil: In the evolving rule of constitutional law, the POTUS is not a dictator (unlike a certain alpha-bully would strive for) … so, in these perilous times those who continue JFK’s works now know they got to take it up a notch so as to not get JFKed.

“Democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others (Winston Churchill) … & shall those in the know further add: “during this historical epoch”

Walk good – vote good





Heptones - Book Of Rules
Isn't it strange how princesses and kings
In clown-ragged capers in, sawdust rings
Just while common people like you and me
We'll be builders for eternity
Each is given a bag of tools
A shapeless mass.. and the book of rules

Each must make his life as flowing in
Tumbling block on a stepping stone
Just while common people like you and me
We'll be builders for eternity
Each is given a bag of tools
A shapeless mass.. and the book of rules

I says, common people like you and me
We'll be builders for eternity
Each is given a bag of tools
A shapeless mass.. and the book of rules

Look when the rain has fallen from the sky
I know the sun will be only missing for a while
I says, common people like you and me
We'll be builders for eternity
Each is given a bag of tools
A shapeless mass.. and the book of rules

I says, common people like you and me
We'll be builders for eternity
Each is given a bag of tools
A shapeless mass.. and the book of rules

Note:
This song is based on the devotional poem, called "Builders for Eternity" by R.L Sharpe.
…………

the night before they assassinated Martin he said:

“Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land!
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 24, 2016 04:46AM
.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2016 04:47AM by DJ Treez.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 24, 2016 06:00PM
Very nice Peacemaker! I still can't get behind Hillary though...
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 24, 2016 06:20PM
Quote
Reggabe
Very nice Peacemaker! I still can't get behind Hillary though...

Are you behind Trump? Johnson? Stein? Write-in?
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 24, 2016 07:20PM
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 25, 2016 04:44PM
Of course not Trump! Either Stein, no vote, or what DJ Treez said. Hillary is a warmonger...
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 25, 2016 09:26PM
For us in California, it's important to show the world we are not as stupid as the utterances of the republican nominee, and a great way to do it is bury him in the election. He should lose by thirty points here, and that says something. There have been many elections, Reggabe, where i have made a message vote for someone who couldn't win because i wanted them to have a good showing. But the republican devil is so bad i want to run the hillary vote up on him as much as possible. In my book, much of the criticism of her comes back to good ole sexism.

Love that reggae!
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 25, 2016 11:08PM
I respect your opinion nomo, but I disagree with it. A vote for Stein is a message to the establishment that we are sick of the status quo. (easy for me to do here in Cali because hillary is gonna win easily). I really don't like the turn Hillary and the democrats have taken, they're basically republican-light and are proven to be corrupt. I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary, and will not vote out of fear of the orange boogeyman. I guarantee if/when HRC wins, we will be getting involved in military conflicts with Russia. Hillary also openly talked about bombing Iran back in 2008. I don't like her involvement with Libya, Benghazi, the Honduran coup, Haiti, the private-prison complex... I could go on. Democrats need to pull their head out of the sand and realize she is not what she sells via the bought & paid for media. It shoulda been Bernie, for real.

All that said, if/when Hillary wins, I do believe she'll work with the common citizen more than Trump would. She'll be forced to listen to us if we hold her feet to the fire. I'm also hopeful the Dems will take back the Senate so things can actually move forward rather than being in permanent stalemate. I will follow her actions closely once she's elected, and also pay attention to what Bernie says we should do. I definitely respect that guy.

Peace, and love that reggae too!
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 25, 2016 11:15PM
this election is like the dark of winter. i wish it would end.

Love that reggae!
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 26, 2016 08:01PM
Quote
nomotrouble
For us in California, it's important to show the world we are not as stupid as the utterances of the republican nominee, and a great way to do it is bury him in the election. He should lose by thirty points here, and that says something. There have been many elections, Reggabe, where i have made a message vote for someone who couldn't win because i wanted them to have a good showing. But the republican devil is so bad i want to run the hillary vote up on him as much as possible. In my book, much of the criticism of her comes back to good ole sexism.



Yep and it's pretty sickening. I've been asking folks who hate Hillary "why do you hate her so much? what has she actually done to make you distrust her?" She's intelligent, well spoken and highly experienced in government policy and you know what? No one has a valid answer. Everyone is like "I just don't!"

Meanwhile, Trump lies openly and twists facts on national television, he steals e.g. he hires employees then doesn't pay them, he cheats (doesn't pay taxes and files for bankruptcy in his business dealings when the going gets tough), demeans women, has probably "raped" and/or " sexually assaulted" a few based on his recorded conversations and we trust him to lead this country? eye popping smiley



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 10/26/2016 08:21PM by IamReggae.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 02:39AM
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 03:54AM
@ Iamreggae: Ummm, I just listed a bunch of reasons above why I don't like her. Just because someone's experienced, doesn't mean that's good experience and will make them a good president. Unless you're talking about bombing and de-stabilizing other countries, she's pretty good at that...
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 05:08PM
Quote
Reggabe
I will follow her actions closely once she's elected, and also pay attention to what Bernie says we should do. I definitely respect that guy.

Bernie Sanders said he wants his supporters to help elect Hillary.

Quote
Reggaebe
A vote for Stein is a message to the establishment that we are sick of the status quo.

In theory, yes. In practice, no -- your protest vote, while assuaging your conscience, will not be a message to the "establishment" -- you message will be ignored by the establishment as Jill will win exactly 0 Electoral College votes.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 06:28PM
Perhaps Bob needs to update his tune to include 'The Fairer Sex'...





Those of you on this board may be more familiar with the reggae version...



Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 07:00PM
jah malla -- yes i.
some good and some quirky cuts on that LP.

big ups daniel, hope & yours are very well!

m.

* [www.kboo.fm]
* [www.shocksofsheba.podomatic.com]
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 27, 2016 08:21PM
Quote
Reggabe
@ Iamreggae: Ummm, I just listed a bunch of reasons above why I don't like her. Just because someone's experienced, doesn't mean that's good experience and will make them a good president. Unless you're talking about bombing and de-stabilizing other countries, she's pretty good at that...


Oh I get it. So Hillary was the one responsible for bombing and destabilizing other countries all along. Boy you just schooled me.






[EDIT] My apologies. I shouldn't be so sarcastic. I just can't help it being from New York. :0) But still, I can't help but shake my head in bewilderment at some of the replies I get when I ask folks why they dislike her so much.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/2016 09:51PM by IamReggae.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 28, 2016 12:44AM
You'd think she was the smartest and most skilled diplomat in the world to accomplish what she's blamed for. It's like those who blame the jews, a tiny percentage of world population, for running the world. They must be extremely smart to carry it off.

And forget that it was Obama's policy she was carrying out, not hers.

Love that reggae!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/28/2016 12:46AM by nomotrouble.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 28, 2016 09:34AM
Be not so sluggish as to think the providence of governance is all as simple as good guys vs. bad guys.

The Hegelian dialectic, which rules much of the political sub-consciousness of our immature species - is superficial to assert that the motive force of history is as simplistic as opposing polarities. For example, a battery or magnet is not so simple as only a positive & negative pole ... what about that mysterious third energy that attracts and repels?

Wake up and see that there are good hearted people, with a sense of compassionate service, who choose to quietly work within the institutions of society, fully realizing they have to contend with, even at risk of their own lives, the psycho elements in the institutions of society who crave ego & power over others.

And on the flip side, there are nuff monkey mentalities who choose to work within the protest/change/revolutionary movements because they are anger, fear or ego driven to control the many good people on the protest lines.

Quote
Reggabe say
when HRC wins, we will be getting involved in military conflicts with Russia. Hillary also openly talked about bombing Iran back in 2008. I don't like her involvement with Libya, Benghazi, the Honduran coup, Haiti, the private-prison complex

Nah true … at this time Barack moving to de-corporatize the prison system
[www.cbc.ca]

Further realize this: In many ways this world still Planet of the Apes. The Way of the Peaceful Warrior teach - never strike a first blow - but self defence is valid - and even Gandhi always emphasize that. I had a trustworthy intelligent brethren from Libya so I know for a fact that Gaddafi was a monster … As well I've got idrens from Iran, Iraq & Afghanistan so have heard accurate reports of what it's like to live under tyranny ... Gaddafi, Saddam & all them bad actors - live by the sword & die by the sword.

Grandma Hillary is on the good side of history.

Quote
DJ Treez say
GIANT METEOR----2016----Just End It Already

Immature vibes. Those living in the western democracies are blessed to live in the most relatively free & fair society during this epoch on this planet. Nuff keyboard commandos coming from the relative wealth & comforts of the West think they've had it ruff ... Suggest check what those who have gone to hell & back, like some of the old-time Native Indian peoples, are saying ... even those on the protest side are not moaning & groaning ... they are giving thanks for life & telling their people … "yesterday’s done … deal with today … quit your ‘victimology’ - practice 'victorology'"

Does the ‘Meteor’ thing refer to the Nibiru ninth planet speculation? What a heap of fear and cynicism.

One time the apostles question Yasus about the time of the end of the age & he reply: “even I don’t have that information – only the Iyah1 know – but you know when the leaves fall off the trees – summer done … and when it’s a red sky at night – nice weather tomorrow … you are a faithless generation seeking signs …

Why worry when you can pray!
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 28, 2016 05:17PM
Quote
Peacemakeya
Be not so sluggish as to think the providence of governance is all as simple as good guys vs. bad guys.


Have to agree with this. People don't realize that there is a lot of grey area in politics. You don't get important changes made by strictly "sticking to your guns". That's why I don't get the whole Hillary hate thing. She's not perfect (which politician is?) but she ain't the devil incarnate either. Trump on the other hand? Ugh. thumbs down She probably even has a good heart methinks. All politicians sell us snake oil though. See below...



Quote
Ronald Reagan
'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realise that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.'
Ronald Reagan
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 28, 2016 07:41PM
Quote
Peacemakeya


Quote
DJ Treez say
GIANT METEOR----2016----Just End It Already

Immature vibes. Those living in the western democracies are blessed to live in the most relatively free & fair society during this epoch on this planet. Nuff keyboard commandos coming from the relative wealth & comforts of the West think they've had it ruff ... Suggest check what those who have gone to hell & back, like some of the old-time Native Indian peoples, are saying ... even those on the protest side are not moaning & groaning ... they are giving thanks for life & telling their people … "yesterday’s done … deal with today … quit your ‘victimology’ - practice 'victorology'"

Does the ‘Meteor’ thing refer to the Nibiru ninth planet speculation? What a heap of fear and cynicism.

One time the apostles question Yasus about the time of the end of the age & he reply: “even I don’t have that information – only the Iyah1 know – but you know when the leaves fall off the trees – summer done … and when it’s a red sky at night – nice weather tomorrow … you are a faithless generation seeking signs …

Why worry when you can pray!

Don't take yourself too seriously brother. All in good fun. And yes, I am known to be very cynical. I will vote for the person I feel is best suited for the job which is not hills, trump or even giant meteor. The real travesty is that I'll be one of the few.

In my humble opinion, this whole voting thing is simply a facade to make us feel like we have some control or power in this situation when we are all really just economic slaves. Trump was selected to ensure hillary's win which was decided by the powers that be long ago. They are on the same team and we are all being played. The only reason I even vote in presidential elections is so that I feel justified in complaining about the outcome.

Positive Vibrations w/DJ Treez | Tahoe's Reggae Show | Thursday Nights 10pm | 101.5 FM KTKE | truckeetahoeradio.com
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 29, 2016 11:19PM
Nice draw, Daniel.


Quote
Daniel
Perhaps Bob needs to update his tune to include 'The Fairer Sex'...





Those of you on this board may be more familiar with the reggae version...


Re: Etana Drumpf
October 30, 2016 10:23PM
Yeah Treez, I totally agree with your premise, which is why I'm voting with my heart. I really don't get all the Hillary love, seems like people have a blind spot or something. I agree with Peacemayka that all is not black & white in politics, but Hillary seems to be following the neocon agenda. And she wasn't carrying out Obama's policies as Sec. of State, she was continuing the previous administration's. Obama has been the voice of restraint (militarily), even from pressure around him to escalate. I don't think we'll get that same restraint with Hillary. And of course I'm not blaming HRC for all these problems, but she represents business as usual, and I am sick of it and want radical change.

And Walter, one of the big reasons I'm voting for Stein is that if she can get 5% of the vote the Green Party will qualify for funds that will help their 2020 campaign, so in essence it is a vote for the future as I think we desperately need new voices in the political system.
Re: Etana Drumpf
October 31, 2016 04:59PM
Hey y'all, sorry for my political rantings on what is supposed to be a reggae forum. Everyone just vote for whom they think is best and then pray for peace.

Happy Halloween!
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 02, 2016 05:55PM
Quote
Reggabe say
Hey y'all, sorry for my political rantings on what is supposed to be a reggae forum

Reggae always had a social/political commentary component - so no apologies necessary

this 1 is Yabby You adapting Marcus Garvey's words




Quote
DJ Treez
this whole voting thing is simply a facade to make us feel like we have some control or power in this situation when we are all really just economic slaves

that's an ancient part of the story but in the bigger-picture, all thru the history of the Ily bibby (Holy Bible) the Iyah1 always active & rising up the Good-Hearted 1's, both within & without the institutions of societies, to counter the psychos ... like Martin say: “Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” So discernment reveal there are good-hearted-1's who work within the institutions of society to counter the psychos for the greater good.

Otherwise, what was JFK about? Or was he part of the conspiracy too? ... aha! this must be the real JFK conspiracy theory. They didn't really bump JFK but he and Marilyn Monroe went incognito to live the rest of their lives on a remote beach

Quote
DJ Treez
Don't take yourself too seriously brother

If Hillary puts in 8 years and then Michelle puts in 8 years we will have children not yet born asking: "Can a man ever be president?" cool smiley
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 08:18PM
burn down babylon, beat down babylon, babylon is falling...isn't a huge component of reggae music the belief that the babylon system is a real thing, and one of the many roles of reggae music and rastafarianism in general is to chant down babylon in our time? If so, doesn't Hillary appear to you to be the personification of the babylon system? After all, the wiki leaks have provided more then enough proof that there is a system of elites at the top levels of society, and that they are engaged in mutual back scratching to say the least. These ARE the people who make decisions that affect our lives. Now is the only chance we will have for a long time to deal a blow to the babylon system, by not allowing them to coronate Hillary.

To put it another way, we have had an even split between democrat and republican presidents for the last 16 years. Make it 28 years if you include Bill Clinton and George the 1st. What do we as a nation have to show for these 28 years of split family rule? Endless war, declining wages, shitty trade deals, and the almost total outsourcing of our manufacturing base. Do you honestly think Hillary will change this trajectory?

She has stated that her dream is a hemispheric common union with open borders and open trade. I understand that we are living during a period in history where transnational corporations are more powerful then a lot of nation states, and that the whole idea of nation states is considered outdated to the elites of today. I don't know about you, but I like my country, and I am not in any hurry to relegate the idea of nation states to the dustbin of history, Sure it will happen eventually, but a vote for Trump is a vote to slow that process. Because after all, a one world government is even closer to a true Babylon system that the music we love warns us about on a daily basis.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 09:00PM
Quote

She has stated that her dream is a hemispheric common union with open borders and open trade.

I'm not sure where you are getting your 'facts' from SommerKind but you only quoted a portion of the sentence she spoke in Brasil while giving a speech on energy (not immigration or even trade).

Here's the complete sentence:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”...
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 09:59PM
I did not quote the whole sentence, but how can you say the statement is not about immigration or trade when the statement itself references a dream of open trade and open borders. She envisions a hemispheric common market, (sounds similar to the EU), with open trade and open borders (the free flow of goods and people across borders, again like the EU), with energy that is green and sustainable. One sentence with multiple points.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 10:21PM
Quote
SommerKind
burn down babylon, beat down babylon, babylon is falling...isn't a huge component of reggae music the belief that the babylon system is a real thing, and one of the many roles of reggae music and rastafarianism in general is to chant down babylon in our time? If so, doesn't Hillary appear to you to be the personification of the babylon system? After all, the wiki leaks have provided more then enough proof that there is a system of elites at the top levels of society, and that they are engaged in mutual back scratching to say the least. These ARE the people who make decisions that affect our lives. Now is the only chance we will have for a long time to deal a blow to the babylon system, by not allowing them to coronate Hillary.

To put it another way, we have had an even split between democrat and republican presidents for the last 16 years. Make it 28 years if you include Bill Clinton and George the 1st. What do we as a nation have to show for these 28 years of split family rule? Endless war, declining wages, shitty trade deals, and the almost total outsourcing of our manufacturing base. Do you honestly think Hillary will change this trajectory?

She has stated that her dream is a hemispheric common union with open borders and open trade. I understand that we are living during a period in history where transnational corporations are more powerful then a lot of nation states, and that the whole idea of nation states is considered outdated to the elites of today. I don't know about you, but I like my country, and I am not in any hurry to relegate the idea of nation states to the dustbin of history, Sure it will happen eventually, but a vote for Trump is a vote to slow that process. Because after all, a one world government is even closer to a true Babylon system that the music we love warns us about on a daily basis.

Never trust anything on wiki-whatever without independently verifying the information. With respect to the WikiLeak e-mails, we know that the Russian State hacked Podesta's e-mail account -- did they add, modify, embellish, delete any of these e-mails? Maybe yes, maybe no -- the point being that no one can say.

With respect to burning down Babylon, the notion is not to destroy our society. That is irresponsible. The idea is to change the system using the means at the disposal of all citizens -- vote, bring class-action lawsuits, run for political office, create/participate in social movements, raise you voice against the injustices you perceive, donate to causes that you believe in.

- Trump is a sexual predator and abuser.
- He is a pathological liar.
- He is a racist.
- He is a sexist.
- He is a Xenophobe.
- He's facing a civil lawsuit for raping a 13 year-old girl in '94 at parties thrown by a convicted sex offender by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. Trump calls Epstein "a friend".
- Trump is facing charges of fraud related to Trump University in NY and is facing 2 class-action lawsuits in CA related to Trump U.
- He's such a great businessman that his companies have declared bankruptcy 4 times, which allowed him to protect his personal fortune at the expense of his company's employees, investors, and creditors.
- Trump used 200 undocumented Polish workers to do demolition work on the site of Trump Tower in NYC. These workers were paid $5.00 an hour with out safety gear, that is if they got paid at all. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were threatened with deportation.

I could go on and on...

To me ANY ONE of the above items is enough to disqualify him as my president. Taking all of them together (and there's many more objectionable and odious things about Trump) and I cannot understand why anyone would vote for him. It shouldn't even be close.

Now, it seems like you suffer from CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome, which is a close analog for ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome), because you seem to have swallowed the Faux News/Breitbart/Infowars line that Hillary is Satan incarnate. You can only swallow that much BS while suffering CDS. How many people has she had murdered?
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 10:30PM
Quote
Walter
Quote
SommerKind
burn down babylon, beat down babylon, babylon is falling...isn't a huge component of reggae music the belief that the babylon system is a real thing, and one of the many roles of reggae music and rastafarianism in general is to chant down babylon in our time? If so, doesn't Hillary appear to you to be the personification of the babylon system? After all, the wiki leaks have provided more then enough proof that there is a system of elites at the top levels of society, and that they are engaged in mutual back scratching to say the least. These ARE the people who make decisions that affect our lives. Now is the only chance we will have for a long time to deal a blow to the babylon system, by not allowing them to coronate Hillary.

To put it another way, we have had an even split between democrat and republican presidents for the last 16 years. Make it 28 years if you include Bill Clinton and George the 1st. What do we as a nation have to show for these 28 years of split family rule? Endless war, declining wages, shitty trade deals, and the almost total outsourcing of our manufacturing base. Do you honestly think Hillary will change this trajectory?

She has stated that her dream is a hemispheric common union with open borders and open trade. I understand that we are living during a period in history where transnational corporations are more powerful then a lot of nation states, and that the whole idea of nation states is considered outdated to the elites of today. I don't know about you, but I like my country, and I am not in any hurry to relegate the idea of nation states to the dustbin of history, Sure it will happen eventually, but a vote for Trump is a vote to slow that process. Because after all, a one world government is even closer to a true Babylon system that the music we love warns us about on a daily basis.

Never trust anything on wiki-whatever without independently verifying the information. With respect to the WikiLeak e-mails, we know that the Russian State hacked Podesta's e-mail account -- did they add, modify, embellish, delete any of these e-mails? Maybe yes, maybe no -- the point being that no one can say.

With respect to burning down Babylon, the notion is not to destroy our society. That is irresponsible. The idea is to change the system using the means at the disposal of all citizens -- vote, bring class-action lawsuits, run for political office, create/participate in social movements, raise you voice against the injustices you perceive, donate to causes that you believe in.

- Trump is a sexual predator and abuser.
- He is a pathological liar.
- He is a racist.
- He is a sexist.
- He is a Xenophobe.
- He's facing a civil lawsuit for raping a 13 year-old girl in '94 at parties thrown by a convicted sex offender by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. Trump calls Epstein "a friend".
- Trump is facing charges of fraud related to Trump University in NY and is facing 2 class-action lawsuits in CA related to Trump U.
- He's such a great businessman that his companies have declared bankruptcy 4 times, which allowed him to protect his personal fortune at the expense of his company's employees, investors, and creditors.
- Trump used 200 undocumented Polish workers to do demolition work on the site of Trump Tower in NYC. These workers were paid $5.00 an hour with out safety gear, that is if they got paid at all. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were threatened with deportation.

I could go on and on...

To me ANY ONE of the above items is enough to disqualify him as my president. Taking all of them together (and there's many more objectionable and odious things about Trump) and I cannot understand why anyone would vote for him. It shouldn't even be close.

Now, it seems like you suffer from CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome, which is a close analog for ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome), because you seem to have swallowed the Faux News/Breitbart/Infowars line that Hillary is Satan incarnate. You can only swallow that much BS while suffering CDS. How many people has she had murdered?


Amen Brutha Walter.



This election cycle has brought two things to light:


1. It has become apparent that America is full of bigots, racists, sexists and outright immoral attitudes.
2. Having a "billion dollars" gives you a pass to say and do whatever you want with impunity.




P.S. "Burn down Babylon" is a figure of speech for those who couldn't figure that out on their own.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 10:45PM
Yes, I suffered enough Obama derangement syndrome to have voted for him twice. It is crazy how every 4 years both halves of the population thinks the person running for office in the other party is the devil incarnate.

Wikileaks is a Russian job because why,Hillary tells you it is? These leaked emails expose such a level of corruption and collusion that a Hillary presidency will be still-born from the outset. You can choose not to read them, and only listen to your favored sources of info, but it does not change the facts. Go ask Donna Brazille how the "they are faked emails" line has been working out. Yeah...over 100K fake emails.

Again, if you are not tired of the endless war and declining wages, accompanied by the devastation of our manufacturing base, then vote for a Clinton. My reasons have nothing to do with racism, sexism or immorality. I just choose to not vote for the epitomy of the corrupt system that has dominated our political and financial class for the last 30+ years. I too could go on and on.

From the very start, this thread has been a little disturbing, for the way people judged an artist for having an opinion not in line with their own, and then were ready to forgive her once she retracted her statement.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 11:14PM
Quote
SommerKind
Wikileaks is a Russian job because why,Hillary tells you it is? These leaked emails expose such a level of corruption and collusion that a Hillary presidency will be still-born from the outset. You can choose not to read them, and only listen to your favored sources of info, but it does not change the facts. Go ask Donna Brazille how the "they are faked emails" line has been working out. Yeah...over 100K fake emails.

No, it is a Russian job because 17 national security agencies have verified that Guccifer 2.0 specifically and Fancy Bear collectively were responsible for the hack. Guccifer 2.0 (an individual) and Fancy Bear (a hacker collective) did the hack sponsored by the highest levels in the Russian government (read Putin).

And they do not have to fake 100,000 emails -- how many have actually been quoted by Trumpeters to create this blizzard of chaff? No more than a hundred or so -- not at all an unreasonable task for Russian intelligence operatives.

Now I am not saying that that happened, but no one can say with certainty that it didn't. And the Russians have done this before -- in the Ukraine, where Putin-ally and former Trump campaign manager Manafort operated on Putin's behalf and was paid handsomely for his efforts.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 03, 2016 11:23PM
I have yet to hear an argument for trump that does not utilize hillary's shortcomings.

Positive Vibrations w/DJ Treez | Tahoe's Reggae Show | Thursday Nights 10pm | 101.5 FM KTKE | truckeetahoeradio.com
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 12:11AM
Quote
Walter
Quote
SommerKind
Wikileaks is a Russian job because why,Hillary tells you it is? These leaked emails expose such a level of corruption and collusion that a Hillary presidency will be still-born from the outset. You can choose not to read them, and only listen to your favored sources of info, but it does not change the facts. Go ask Donna Brazille how the "they are faked emails" line has been working out. Yeah...over 100K fake emails.

No, it is a Russian job because 17 national security agencies have verified that Guccifer 2.0 specifically and Fancy Bear collectively were responsible for the hack. Guccifer 2.0 (an individual) and Fancy Bear (a hacker collective) did the hack sponsored by the highest levels in the Russian government (read Putin).

And they do not have to fake 100,000 emails -- how many have actually been quoted by Trumpeters to create this blizzard of chaff? No more than a hundred or so -- not at all an unreasonable task for Russian intelligence operatives.

Now I am not saying that that happened, but no one can say with certainty that it didn't. And the Russians have done this before -- in the Ukraine, where Putin-ally and former Trump campaign manager Manafort operated on Putin's behalf and was paid handsomely for his efforts.

Do not be so quick to believe everything you are told. Here is the extremely resounding and definitive letter from DHS and DNI.: [www.dni.gov]

17 national agencies? Please show me. Maybe because DNI represents 17 intelligence services, people make the leap that all 17 have weighed in on the matter. Otherwise, even if it is Russia, is it so bad that they have pulled back the curtain for us?

If the emails are fake, then I am waiting for just one person to produce the original email. So far nobody whose emails have been leaked has produced the actual "real" email.

If the current path this country is on makes you happy; non-stop war, stagnant pay, evaporating factories, then by all means vote Clinton.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 12:16AM
Quote
DJ Treez
I have yet to hear an argument for trump that does not utilize hillary's shortcomings.

I was just thinking the same thing, but substitute "Trump" for "Hillary" in your sentence.

Seriously though, here is something that I find attractive, his "contract with America"

FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

These proposals are completely at odds with how the current power structure, as shown in wikileaks and elsewhere, operates. A vote for Hillary is a vote to maintain and strengthen the current power structures. A vote for Trump is a vote to disrupt the current power structures. That is what side I am on.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 06:19AM
With whatever respect may be due, a vote for trump is a vote for idiocracy. If you don't see that he was put where he is by the current power structures so that hills has no chance of losing, you are missing the haps. If you want your vote to disrupt the current power structure, do you really think that either of the two party candidates will do the trick? Think again my friend, and if you really want to disrupt anything, vote third party.

Positive Vibrations w/DJ Treez | Tahoe's Reggae Show | Thursday Nights 10pm | 101.5 FM KTKE | truckeetahoeradio.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2016 06:26AM by DJ Treez.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 08:51AM
Quote
SommerKind
That is what side I am on.

The same side as the KKK.

Trump has received not one endorsement from a major American newspaper. He has, however, received front page coverage and effusive praise from The Crusader, the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan.

His slogan, “Make America Great Again” is the outdated and unreflective speech of those who uncritically embrace the past, a recycling of the Know-Nothing rhetoric of the 1850s, and a maturation of Pat Buchanan’s white “ethnonationalism” screeds from white supremacist websites such as World Net Daily.

The Klan understands its origins and meaning quite well. The organization translates these for the unsure and those who may be somehow duped or tricked into thinking that “Make America Great Again” is race neutral and benign speech. The Crusader has explained:

Quote

“Make American Great Again!” It is a slogan that has been repeatedly used by Donald Trump in his campaign for the presidency. You can see it on the shirts, buttons, posters and ball caps such as the one being worn here by Trump speaking at a recent rally . . . But can it happen? Can America really be great again? This is what we will soon found out! While Trump wants to make America great again, we have to ask ourselves, “What made America great in the first place?” The short answer to that is simple. America was great not because of what our forefathers did — but because of who are forefathers were, America was founded as a White Christian Republic. And as a White Christian Republic it became great.

For the record, Trump has rejected this endorsement, but that matters not to me. Why? Because the KKK is attracted to Trump by his prior words and actions. They are attracted to him by his policy proposals -- his deportation force and his proposals to militarize police forces and then use these little armies to occupy communities of color in our major cities are especially appealing. But I think what really appeals to the Klan is the tacit approval of their racist world view that the ascendancy of Trump represents.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 03:45PM
Quote
SommerKind
Do not be so quick to believe everything you are told. Here is the extremely resounding and definitive letter from DHS and DNI.: [www.dni.gov]

17 national agencies? Please show me. Maybe because DNI represents 17 intelligence services, people make the leap that all 17 have weighed in on the matter. Otherwise, even if it is Russia, is it so bad that they have pulled back the curtain for us?

From the letter you cited in your post:

Quote
Joint DHS and ODNI Election Security Statement
The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

I was wrong about there being 17 intelligence agencies that comprise the USIC. There are 16, with one agency being known by two names -- that where I made my mistake. Here they are:

1. Twenty-Fifth Air Force
2. Intelligence and Security Command
3. Central Intelligence Agency
4. Coast Guard Intelligence
5. Defense Intelligence Agency
6. Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence
7. Office of Intelligence and Analysis
8. Bureau of Intelligence and Research
9. Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
10. Office of National Security Intelligence
11. Intelligence Branch (FBI)
12. Marine Corps Intelligence Activity
13. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
14. National Reconnaissance Office
15. National Security Agency/Central Security Service
16. Office of Naval Intelligence
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 05:06PM
The tolerance on this post is amazing. Walter, you sound like a walking Huffington Post page. Your list proves the minor point I made. The Coast Guard? And read the letter, it is not exactly damning. It is much more likely that some of the leaks are coming from within a Govt. agency. So just blame the Russians.

Your candidate is a war hawk. The likely hood of us going to war is greater under Clinton then Trump. Can I prove that, no. Can you prove it is not true. DJ Treez says that Trump is put here (by the power structure) so as to be such an unappealing option, that the sheep have no real choice but to vote for Clinton. If that is true, then wouldn't a vote for Trump be a vote against said power structure? Why are you guys all of a sudden so gung-ho for a Neo-Con war monger dressed up as a caring liberal? Maybe our argument comes down to both sides thinking the other side is being tricked. I'm still going with the individual that is less likely to lead us into WWIII.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 06:05PM
Quote
SommerKind
The tolerance on this post is amazing. Walter, you sound like a walking Huffington Post page. Your list proves the minor point I made. The Coast Guard? And read the letter, it is not exactly damning. It is much more likely that some of the leaks are coming from within a Govt. agency. So just blame the Russians.

I am a walking Huffington Post page -- is that meant to insult or complement me? I'll choose compliment, so thank you.

And why denigrate the men and women who serve in the US Coast Guard? The Coast Guard Intelligence (CGI) program has cultivated extensive relationships and partnerships with other elements of the Intelligence Community to provide timely, tailored support in a wide range of Coast Guard and national missions. These missions include port security, search and rescue, maritime safety, counter-narcotics, alien migration interdiction, and living marine resources protection. The Coast Guard Counterintelligence Service (CGCIS) falls under Coast Guard Intelligence and protects the Coast Guard from foreign agents who might attempt to penetrate their ranks or compromise their operations. This involves intelligence collection and analysis.

Quote
SommerKind
Your candidate is a war hawk. The likely hood of us going to war is greater under Clinton then Trump. Can I prove that, no. Can you prove it is not true. DJ Treez says that Trump is put here (by the power structure) so as to be such an unappealing option, that the sheep have no real choice but to vote for Clinton. If that is true, then wouldn't a vote for Trump be a vote against said power structure? Why are you guys all of a sudden so gung-ho for a Neo-Con war monger dressed up as a caring liberal? Maybe our argument comes down to both sides thinking the other side is being tricked. I'm still going with the individual that is less likely to lead us into WWIII.

*sheep* -- is that truly what you think we voters are? Rather insulting...

Hillary is no neo-con -- although Trump's cra-cra has caused many conservatives to back Hillary and among them are a few neocons (Colin Powell and Robert Kagan.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 08:03PM
Quote
Walter

Never trust anything on wiki-whatever without independently verifying the information. With respect to the WikiLeak e-mails, we know that the Russian State hacked Podesta's e-mail account -- did they add, modify, embellish, delete any of these e-mails? Maybe yes, maybe no -- the point being that no one can say.

Sure they can say - Podesta simply produces the original email and see if the one Wikileaks released has been embellished in any way.
Easy Peasy.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 09:37PM
Is that how we're going to conduct business now? Hurl random innuendo and then yell "Prove it's not a fact!"

There is a cherished principle being abused here -- in our justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty until proven innocent.

Randys, you are saying to Podesta, "you are guilty of whatever is in this speciously-sourced e-mail, don't bother denying it -- we have the e-mail, graciously supplied by our democracy-loving Russian friends. Show the original e-mail that shows different, that shows your innocence at once or forever be condemned." Guilty until proven innocent.

Now, you know just as well as I that, were Podesta to produce the "original email", the hue and cry from the (alt)-right that "HE CHANGED IT before releasing it" would drown out a NASCAR race.

Under innocent until proven guilty, the chat to Podesta would be something like this -- "you are the subject of an allegation of whatever. These allegations spring from a leaked e-mail. The source of this e-mail is dubious and we are looking into that. If the e-mail proves authentic, we will move forward into investigating these allegations. If evidence is uncovered verifying these allegations, you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

Let's be real -- the smartest play by the democrats was/is to not engage in a "he said, she said" argument over these e-mails. I know, to you, that's "telling..."
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 11:28PM
This thread is an interesting read (kind of) during a sad election cycle.

Walter, i respect what you're saying about innocent until proven guilty.. It's a valid point. I can't help but notice you don't give those same standards to Russia in their alleged ties to the wikileaks hacks. And no, a grip of American intelligence agencies coming together to say "we BELIEVE this to be the case" does not mean "we KNOW this to be the case". Where's your sense of innocent until proven guilty when it applies to accusations that could push global powers in to an earth shattering war?
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 04, 2016 11:34PM
Walter,

Someone illegally acquired his email. You asserted that when the emails were released by Wikileaks, they may have been tampered with.
As his email account was apparently not wiped clean, he has the originals and can quickly flush out any shenanigans. If someone is impugning your integrity with incorrect information, and you can quickly dispel their efforts with facts and crush their credibility in the process, why wouldn't you?

This isn’t alt-right, it is just simple logic.

Assuming it is the Russians, as the 17 politically impartial agencies you cited allege (the same 17 who, not under any political pressure, claimed there were WMDs in Iraq?), do you think they will stop when Hillary is elected? Do a Google search on Vlad Putin's grudge against Hillary. I believe there are dread times ahead for us all no matter the outcome of this election.

Sure wish some of this information would have come out during the primaries so that Bernie would have come out on top, or at a minimum Uncle Joe could have been convinced to run - I believe either one would have crushed the Drumpf menace! Instead we have an incredibly flawed war-mongering candidate about to win the election and take office.

Your mileage may vary.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 05, 2016 03:08AM
Anyone who believes the wikileaks are due to Russian interference has fully swallowed U.S. propaganda. Straight up. Are you familiar with Edward Bernay's "Propaganda"? It's basically a playbook for how the corrupt power structure operates. This "blame the Russians" stuff going around is to condition us to be ready to go to war with them. C'mon people, read between the lines! Think outside the box! And no I don't mean Fluffington Post! They are part of the propaganda machine as much as faux news, just coming from a different angle. While I cannot and will not support Trump, I equally cannot support Hillary. I will vote for Jill Stein with a clear conscience and let the chips fall where they may, because I agree with Sommerkind that a vote for Hillary is a vote for more war and business as usual for the corrupt power structure. Honestly, I can't believe that any lifelong reggae listener resonates with the b.s. that we are fed daily through mainstream media. If you want to dig deeper to get 'real" news, try The Intercept, Truthout,or CommonDreams. But definitely not Fluffington Post, gimme a break!

p.s. If/when Hillary gets elected, we really need to keep the pressure on her and hold her feet to the fire and not let them bully us into more war!
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 05, 2016 05:58AM
Quote

Anyone who believes the wikileaks are due to Russian interference has fully swallowed U.S. propaganda.

Do you have ANY factual information as to who pimped the DNC's email account? I've heard the 'so-called' U.S. Intelligence Community's account of who did it, and I too am skeptical of things said by our government, so any info you can provide in that regard would be appreciated Reggabe...
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 05, 2016 12:04PM
Well done, all. Respects to all opinions. The die is cast and our collective lots will be determined Tuesday. No minds will be changed and we are all have faith in our personal set of facts that both inform our opinions and confirm our beliefs.

Unlike the greater blogosphere, I trust the motives of our SNWMF community and believe there are no bad actors here. Some like Trump, some like Johnson, some like Stein, some like that x-CIA guy that's going to win Utah (maybe), and some like Clinton.

And for the record -- I too, wish Bernie or Uncle Joe ran and won the nomination instead of Clinton.

How ever you feel about his election, get out and vote.
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 05, 2016 09:15PM
The tectonic fault-line of this election is the continuing age-old conflict of nationalism vs. globalism. The trajectory of social organizations, during this epoch, is from smaller to larger governance. When our ancestors upon this planet adapted from the animal to the human: we started as family centered & Matrifocal social units … then extended families … then to: clans … tribes … Patriarchal fiefdoms … kingdoms … states … united states … and now fledgling united nations with the current fractious issues of WTO, Brexit, TPP etc.

Each step of the way has been contested between the regressive animalism factions and the forward thinking love based factions & in this time el luta coninua

Quote
Mark Twain
Nationalism is the last refuge of the scoundrel

We all only in this dimension for a minute & it is proper to fight the good fight for our children’s children … but what sense does it make to argue & worry about the prevailing tides of history?

No one pick-up on the JFK historical lesson?? Are we so fixated on the superficial personality arguments to not see that the societies Brother JFK repped have now upped their game to keep (hopefully) bump proof – and that there are verifiable sisters & brothers contesting the inside corridors of power

But Heya … why worry ourselves for Perfect Luv casts away all fear (Jahn 4:18)

Quote
Daniel 2:20
Blessed be the name of the Iyah1 for ivah and ivah: for wisdom and might belong to the Iyah1 who changeth the times and the seasons: removeth kings, and setteth up kings: giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Quote
Walter say

With respect to burning down Babylon, the notion is not to destroy our society. That is irresponsible. The idea is to change the system using the means at the disposal of all citizens -- vote, bring class-action lawsuits, run for political office, create/participate in social movements, raise you voice against the injustices you perceive, donate to causes that you believe in.

Give thanks Walter – & shall we add – “my children will be known by the luv they show one to another” … “Feed the hungry, heal the sick, cloth the naked & free the captives” cuz “Live for yourself you will live in vain – live for others you will live again”

Forward to the Ancient Future with Marcia


Re: Etana Drumpf
November 05, 2016 09:19PM
Right on Walter & everyone. Once again I kinda spouted off a bunch of my opinions, which we all know are just that and not necessarily facts but more based on beliefs. I stand by my words, but am always open to changing my beliefs as more truths come to light. I do think there is a lot of propaganda floating around, from the left and right, U.S. and Russia, so it can be hard to get our facts straight. The Syria situation is a tricky one, and dealing with it is not a black and white issue, so lets all pray for the most peaceful outcome possible. Also, to be fair, part of my confidence in voting for Stein comes from voting in Cali, where I'm almost 100% certain Clinton will win. If I lived in a swing state I might carefully reconsider that vote, because Trump really is too much of a wild card and potentially dangerous.

Daniel, I'm not the best at citing resources, but tend to distill and assimilate them in my mind to reach my conclusions. I mentioned those alternative media sites above, namely The Intercept and Truthout, and I think that's where I get a lot of my info. I tend to resonate with critical investigative journalism, guys like Chris Hedges and Glenn Greenwald, but who's to say they're 100% correct? All in all, I don't really trust dominant mainstream narratives, but mostly follow my heart and trust my gut.

Peace Y'all!
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 09, 2016 01:52PM
Re: Etana Drumpf
November 12, 2016 01:54PM
For some reason I don't see the Spiritwalker nation agreeing with the ritual of spirit-cooking.

Which leads me to ask..

Russel Means and his people are blessed with discernment, so tell me,
do you hail from the same first nation people as Ward Churchill ?




Quote
Peacemakeya
Quote
Reggabe say
Hey y'all, sorry for my political rantings on what is supposed to be a reggae forum

Reggae always had a social/political commentary component - so no apologies necessary

this 1 is Yabby You adapting Marcus Garvey's words




Quote
DJ Treez
this whole voting thing is simply a facade to make us feel like we have some control or power in this situation when we are all really just economic slaves

that's an ancient part of the story but in the bigger-picture, all thru the history of the Ily bibby (Holy Bible) the Iyah1 always active & rising up the Good-Hearted 1's, both within & without the institutions of societies, to counter the psychos ... like Martin say: “Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” So discernment reveal there are good-hearted-1's who work within the institutions of society to counter the psychos for the greater good.

Otherwise, what was JFK about? Or was he part of the conspiracy too? ... aha! this must be the real JFK conspiracy theory. They didn't really bump JFK but he and Marilyn Monroe went incognito to live the rest of their lives on a remote beach

Quote
DJ Treez
Don't take yourself too seriously brother

If Hillary puts in 8 years and then Michelle puts in 8 years we will have children not yet born asking: "Can a man ever be president?" cool smiley
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login