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Posted by dirtweed 
what if.....
January 09, 2006 06:14PM
this were those everlovin' pitbulls instead of chihuahuas.....?

Pack of angry Chihuahuas attack officer
The Associated Press
Last Updated 9:33 am PST Friday, December 30, 2005
FREMONT, Calif. (AP) - A pack of angry Chihuahuas attacked a police officer who was escorting a teenager home after a traffic stop, authorities said.
The officer suffered minor injuries, including bites to his ankle, Detective Bill Veteran said.

The five Chihuahuas escaped the 17-year-old boy's home and rushed the officer in the doorway Thursday, authorities said. The teenager had been detained after the traffic incident.

The officer was treated at a hospital and returned to work less than two hours later.

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January 09, 2006 06:19PM
He would have been dead.
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January 09, 2006 06:57PM
I gave a former co-worker, not very reggae knowledgable, a pass to a Pablo Moses show we happened to be opening for. I asked her the next day how she liked it. She said the band was great, but the lead singer sounded like an "angry chihuahua."
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January 09, 2006 07:01PM
He would sing like Pablo Moses mix w/Ashanti Roy.
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January 09, 2006 09:14PM
the key thing to remember is that any dog(s) nay become vicious
'unexpectedly' ...always be on guard...
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January 09, 2006 09:45PM
the other key thing to remember is that a pit bull will kill you while other breeds will just bite you.
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January 09, 2006 10:03PM
Rot (sp) Saint Bernard, Doberman and German Shepard could all do you in if they are in the right or wrong mood for it.
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January 09, 2006 10:41PM
please post some examples about dog attacks by those breeds, other than guard or police dogs. if you can even find any, i will post many many more regarding pitbulls. you can be assured that if you are attacked by a pitbull you will suffer grevious harm. those breeds you mention would have to either be trained as attack dogs or protecting their litter for that to happen. sorry, there is no defense for the pitbulls, they are killers.

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January 09, 2006 10:55PM
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January 09, 2006 10:58PM
Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.)

Dogs are dogs..
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January 09, 2006 11:07PM
how naive.

this is old news but still relevant:

The Pit bull, friend or killer? Is the Pit bull a fine animal, as its admirers claim, or is it a vicious dog, unfit for society?

7-27-1987. Sports Illustrated.

America has a four-legged problem called the American pit bull terrier. And the pit bull, its ''ridiculously amiable disposition' ' notwithstanding, has a two-legged problem called Man. These two species are not new to each other. They have intermingled for some 200 years, and some say their common history goes back as far as the Romans. But something has happened to the pit bull in the last decade that says as much about the nature of American society as it does about the nature of this aggressive animal. Far from being an aberration, the American pit bull terrier has become a reflection of ourselves that no one cares very much to see. ''They're athletes. They're wrestlers. They're dead game,'' says Captain Arthur Haggerty, a dog breeder and trainer in New York City who owns five pit bull terriers and has trained hundreds of others. ''They will literally fight till they're dead. If you found that quality in a boxer or a football player, you'd say it was admirable. Will to win. That's what a pit bull has.'' Others call it a ''will to kill.''

At least 35 communities nationwide have considered banning the breed from within their city limits, and while such ordinances have run into constitutional problems stemming from the difficulty in defining exactly what a pit bull terrier is, their number is growing weekly. The horror stories involving pit bulls are voluminous. Recent tragedies include the death of two-year-old James Soto, who was mauled in Morgan Hill, Calif., on June 13 by a neighbor's pit bull. The attack rendered the child ''unrecognizable as a human being,'' according to paramedics. Nine days later a national television audience watching the evening news was treated to the terrifying spectacle of a pit bull terrier attacking Los Angeles animal control officer Florence Crowell. The 33-year-old woman survived but spent five days in the hospital. On April 6, a retired surgeon, 67-year-old William Eckman, was killed by two pit bulls on a street in Dayton, Ohio. On that same day, 16-month-old Melissa Larabee of Jones, Okla., was killed by the family's pet pit bull, who bit her in the throat. In June 1986, 20-month-old Kyle Corullo was attacked by a pit bull in Ramsay, Mich., while playing in his grandmother's backyard. The dog, fighting off the child's mother, dragged the boy into a nearby lot and shook him to death ''like a stuffed animal.''

In the last 18 months, 12 of the 18 confirmed dog-related fatalities in the U.S. -- or 67% -- have been caused by the pit bull terrier, a breed that accounts for only 1% of the U.S. dog population. And the maimings are far more numerous. Often it is small children who are the victims of unprovoked attacks. There is no definitive source for animal attack statistics, but pit bull fanciers claim that statistics show other breeds of dog bite more frequently -- German shepherds lead the list -- and accuse the media of publicizing only pit bull maulings.

DOG BITES MAN isn't news, they say, but PIT BULL BITES MAN is. Unfortunately the pit bull, when it attacks, doesn't merely bite man -- or, most horribly, child -- it clamps its powerful jaws down and literally tears its victim apart. ''The injuries these dogs inflict are more serious than other breeds because they go for the deep musculature and don't release; they hold and shake,'' says Sheryl Blair of the Tufts Veterinary School, in North Grafton, Mass., which last year held a symposium entitled Animal Agression: Dog Bites and the Pit Bull Terrier. ''Most breeds do not multiple-bite,'' says Kurt Lapham, a field investigator for the West Coast Regional office of the Humane Society. ''A pit bull attack is like a shark attack: He keeps coming back.'' ''A pit bull,'' says Judge Victor E. Bianchini of San Diego, '' is the closest thing to a wild animal there is in a domesticated dog."

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January 09, 2006 11:11PM
Pit bulls at top of fatal attacks
20-year study finds kids under 14 suffer 42% of bite injuries -- 3 of 4 involve family pet
- Ryan Kim, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, June 23, 2005

Attacks by pit bulls accounted for about a third of the 238 fatal dog attacks in the United States during a 20-year study, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pit bulls were blamed for killing 76 people, or 32 percent, during a study of dog attacks from 1979-1998, the study showed. Rottweilers were the second most deadly animal, reportedly killing 44 people, or 18.5 percent, during the same period.

About 4.7 million people are bitten every year by dogs, resulting in about 12 fatalities a year, according to the federal statistics. About 500,000 to 800,000 dog bites require medical treatment annually.

Children, according to the 2000 federal study, are the most vulnerable victims in dog attacks. Those under the age of 14 account for 42 percent of dog bite injuries. The highest rate of injuries was to children between the ages of 5 and 9.

Of the 27 people who died in from dog bites, 19 were children under the age of 15. The animal responsible for 3 out of 4 injuries involving youth under the age of 14 is the family dog.

Janis Bradley, an instructor in the academy for dog trainers at San Francisco's Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, said the number of dog bites pales in comparison to other health threats like car accidents, which claim about 38,000 lives a year. When attacks occur, she said, people rush to criticize some dogs as threats to family safety.

"Prudent measures can be taken to decrease the levels of attacks we do have, but there are many other injuries that present a more important threat to public health," Bradley said. "Almost anything you can think of."

Carl Friedman, director of San Francisco's Animal Care and Control, said that although he does not want to condemn an entire breed, local and national statistics support taking steps to regulate pit bulls, such as mandatory neutering.

"When you have a mauling where a 12-year-old child is killed and when 50 to 60 percent of our hearings for vicious and dangerous animals are for pit bulls, you don't have to be a brain surgeon to see we have a problem with pit bulls," Friedman said.

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January 09, 2006 11:26PM
no need I got about 37 stitches is my dome that can testify to what a St. Bernard can do if it pleases. however this is not the point I was trying to make. Pit Bulls have the ability to destroy humans like no other dog that you may come across, but Rot's get people all the time. I do not dispute that Pitt's seem to be the foremost dog when it comes to domestic animals, but the amount of stories that the media reports on has nothing to do with this If that were logically correct then only pretty white women would go missing in this country because they seem to have a monopoly on the stories
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January 09, 2006 11:47PM
wow, what in heck did you do to piss off a st bernard?? i have found them to be pretty mellow.
and, as usual, you do make good points ninjacat.
jb welda
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January 10, 2006 12:42AM
i say look at the owner not at the dog. most owners of dogs that attack people either raised them in their image (to put it nicely: an a$$hole) or didnt raise it at all. a chiuaua (sp) raised under the same circumstances would probably do the same; as much as it was able to anyway.

personally i think an owner should be put to sleep when their doggie kills or maims someone.

one love
jah bill
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January 10, 2006 01:09AM
dirtweed everyone knows dogs & cats don't often agree.
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January 10, 2006 03:53PM
wow ninjacat--

i too was viciously attacked by a st bernard when i was young. it was pretty bad. we found out at that time st bernard's had the highest percentage of unprovoked attack rate of any breed in the states. so my folks were told by the animal clinic before they put the dog down (after watching it for 2 or 3 weeks for rabies). this was a long time ago--like 1974, i think. i have no clue where they rank now, but it was quite terrifying, as i was literally fighting for my life. had the dog not been tied up to a tree, i'm not sure what would have happened to me. i do know i had about 400 stitches and several surgeries. and to this day i don't like it when a silly little poodle comes at me. this dog had never displayed violent tendencies; i remember feeling bad for the kid whose dog it was. but i'm sure my folks felt worse when the doctor came out and said i had lost a tremendous amount of blood, it was worse than they thought, blah blah blah...and st bernards just seem so sweet...


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January 10, 2006 04:18PM
i have personaaly seen 2 dogs run after someone when the person saw the dogs tied up on the streets. he started to go the other way and the dogs got excited
and broke loose and chased him ( who fortunately ran into a store and shut the door behind him )
Re: what if.....
January 10, 2006 05:57PM
"Rot (sp) Saint Bernard, Doberman and German Shepard could all do you in if they are in the right or wrong mood for it."

Perhaps so. And pit bulls top the list. It's not a matter of what's printed in the newspaper...
jb welda
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January 10, 2006 09:03PM
huh i think we might have a new champ...i was bit in the butt once by a st bernard a friend had. dog hadnt shown any aggression before but when i asked my friend if the dog bit, he said yeah. i thought he was joking; i found out different. wasnt no big thing though, just a friendly love bite ow.

one love
jah bill
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January 10, 2006 09:19PM
Pit bulls also top the list of idiot owners, which would make some sense of the numbers. Not debating the damage they can do I just personally feel a dogs behavior is more driven by upbringing than breed. Since they have become the "tough guy" dog there seems to be an outbreak of attacks, provoked and unprovoked. When I was a kid I never heard much of pits we were always scared of the German Shepards and dobis, where did they all come from?
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January 10, 2006 11:51PM
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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January 11, 2006 01:25AM
the egg of course...
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January 11, 2006 02:00AM
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January 11, 2006 02:29AM
I was walking down the street with my 5 yr old when a neighborhood pitbull mistook my sons giggling for pig squeeling and ran and lunged thru the air at my sons throat. I placed a HARD kick to deflect the dog who then grunted and walked into her yard. Upon telling the owner what happened he immediately took the dog in the backyard and shot her dead. A traumatic series of events, I **** you not...
I shudder and wince at the thought of missing that kick, but in that situation you missing is not an option.......Typical Boulder Creek me tell ya!

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