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Damian Marley at the Warfield

Posted by laura 
Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 03:23AM
Did anyone catch this show?

These were my thoughts:
[www.jahworks.org]

kyndgrl myspace.com/kyndgrl
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 03:58AM
Blessed love laura..
Yes i caught the saturday show, so im not too sure which night all those "incidents" were on..but as far as those vibes you are describing, drinking, making out, shoving..YES!! I did have to experince that, as i had some RasKlot baldheads moving into my space and being downright rude!! And people just acting outta line in general...but ive seen this just about each time ive seen Damian, so im thinking its just the crowd that he happens to attract...Mainstream listeners who watch MTV...
libby
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 04:14AM
yeah it hella sucks.. i was at the friday nite show and i share the same feelings.. .totally a weird vibe, not a good one. which sucks because hhi performance (as always) was off the hook. and i love him live but the crowd just ruined it for me a bit....
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 06:57PM
i was not at any of the shows, and i was really disappointed not being there 2 see damian. people need 2 remeber rastas don't like negative vibes. this show should have been love 4 young marley !!!!
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 07:10PM
Thank you Laura for the nice write up, very well written, I wished it turned out better, MTV crowd is rigth on that one.

Bless
papa ray
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 07:21PM
Driving into town on Thursday to see U-Roy, I noticed DM was there Friday nite.
Oddly, after walking thru the door at the Independent and GETTING MY SHARE
of such a killah' show, I had no eyes for running down tixs fo' Damian. Perhaps
my radar had picked up on de presence of dem 'negative vibes' as I drove past
the Warfield(as Trinitymlk sez to me Thursday,"' yes, the fashion-dreads will be in attendence" to my ironic question....Ah, youth will be served, fashion-dreads & otherwise, nothwithstanding which show actually carried the heart of Jamaican muzik...).

There were, however, nothing but kick-ass vibes at the Sugar Pie De Santo performance I caught Saturday nite in Frisco, where the 72 year old soul singer energetically lead a good band thru a sharp set.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 07:42PM
I SAT THE SHOW AND IT WAS EXCELLENT! THE VIBES WERE ITAL! I FELT POSITIVE VIBES IN THE BALCONY SECTION. MAYBE OTHER RACES DIDNT FEEL GOOD VIBES, BUT SPEAKING FROM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW I ENJOYED THE SHOW.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 18, 2006 11:41PM
the damian show i caught in tahoe had the exact same vibe( pushing-shoving-total disreguard for other people-and disrespectful drunks) it was pretty much 90% mtv trendy crowd. this is the way damians shows are going to be from now on i think- which is too bad. i didnt enjoy that show one bit- not becuse jr. didnt do a good job(he through it down as a matter of fact)-but because the crowd was awful and disrespectful. maybe this sort of exposure isnt a good thing.
one love-juan love
kyndgrl myspace.com/kyndgrl
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 03:46AM
Exactly my experiences Juan-love!!! So very true..
DeeCee
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 04:50AM
I can agree that it is annoying to have people being a little disrespectful and unconscious, but aren't they the ones that need to hear the message the most? I agree it would be nice to see all the reggae artists in a whole group of conscious people, but what's the point of that. Reggae needs to expand to the masses. Of course many wont get it and just get drunk and pick up on girls at the show...spilling beer on people...acting stupid....but a few will listen to the lyrics..reason with themselves in their heads and make changes........this music is made for the people that get it and also to educate the people that don't ......
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 05:24AM
i hear what your sayin deecee-and im sure some of the people that dont regularly listesten to reggae are catching the vibe- but i still think that 90% of people going to damian shows are people that probably dont care bout the message. he's " hot " rite now in the trendy world-and when they hear " out in the streets they call it murder " im sure they are mistaking it for some glorifide gangster rap slang. me and you both know that he is talking bout the hardships of life in JA.
i to hope that the message of reggae is truthfuly spred to the masses-but when you have a catchy phares like that its easly confused with todays hard muderouse rap lyrics and trend.
one love-juan love
DeeCee
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 06:38AM
true...true
buttah....
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 02:48PM
My experience was the same in san diego...disrespectul crowd...drunks...the whole 9--most don't even know he had previous releases prior to his latest--i made up my mind then that i would not see damian anymore...the vibe was just completely different & his dancers...well that was a whole nother story!
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 21, 2006 09:50PM
I was at the Friday show and as it turns out LUCKY to be up in the lower balcony section. From there the music as well as the vibe was awesome. No problem
with the crowd just good vibes.Thankful for making the show as JR GONG was
GREAT!
Much Respect
DewayneR
truth
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 11:20AM
maybe folks need to holler at the marley bros and let them know they draw this crowd, ask them to ask these new fans to change their ways, always gonna be some version of roots music that draws new folks, then it be bout current roots folks being recopetive and inviting and an itinual invite for new folks to the music to not get too intoxicated by the vibe and be conscious

i can tell you if these sons of bob play Vallejo there will be different vibes fo sho, i hope folks feel this.
shunsta
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 04:44PM
WHY DO YOU THINK I STAY AWAY FROM THAT BAMBA CLOT BULLSHIITE,BOO DOWN THE MARLEYS (BESIDES BOcool smiley THEY SUCK IN THE YUPPIE CUM BASTARD SCENE sorry but this is what its turned into. Jah bless
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 07:07PM
but you like and respect John Browns Body? Leaders of the east coast yuppie not-reggae community?
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 08:57PM
Guess y'all were too busy watching others in the crowd to listen to the music?

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 09:19PM
kinda hard to listen and watch performers when your constantly be pushed and shoved around.
one love-juan love
buttah....
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 09:32PM
that was exactly my experience...you know when u show up to a venue early..you get "your" spot..stand there for a loooongggg time..and then you have to move for just 75 seconds..& say to the people around you..I will be right back? usually, when u come back..the folks are like "cool he or she was here before me, so imma let them have their space back"..well that is not what happened for me..some drunk stoned idiot tried to get major attitude & looked ridiculous with a glow in the dark marley poster that he had cut out & pinned to his shirt...idiot...*sigh*...i eventually moved him out of the way (thank you hips) but endured beer sloshing on me all night...ugghhhh
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 09:42PM
word to the wise: roll with a crew, preferably with more girls than guys. This way when the drunk guys start invading just have the girls start dancing and swingin their arms and such in order to create space. Our crew was about 12 deep and I had plenty of room to maneuver all night long...
It was crazy though- even for a casino the Tahoe show had quite a pop feel due to the attendees.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 10:07PM
the dance floor area in front of the stage was more like a mosh pit.
i dont know maybe it was because there were way to many people in the place but i still noticited people being way agro and disrespectful.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 22, 2006 10:18PM
People should complain to the venue and not the artist. If the venue cant hire proper security, then why should we come there to feel unsafe. Mosh pit at a Reggae show? Cha!!! I hate to miss Reggae in San Francisco, but I cant take the negative vibe.
kyndgrl myspace.com/kyndgrl
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 03:02AM
we are not complaining about the artist..at least i am not...its the crowd that he happens to attract for whatevr reasons....so theres no complaing to the venue??
yes, it was like a mosh pit, its not just SF reggae shows...Uroy 2 nights before, everyone was in the iriest of Ites...so we are saying, its Marleys main or "target" audience seen??

give thanks,
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 03:05AM
isn't just damian shows that have that problem. When I was at the Anthony B show back in November in Petaluma some drunk kids up in front kept trying to start a pit whenever Anthony's band would pick up the tempo a bit. Peace



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
inspecta
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 03:40AM
This same article is being discussed over at dancehallreggae.com

[dancehallreggae.com]

Pare schism between the two chread. Always interesting to read the diff'rent responces from diff'rent people.

Rasqueen, check in over pon di DHR side for more fellowship.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 04:53AM
A lot of racism over there on that thread. So they didn't agree with my review, and that's cool because it was my own experience, but it hurts me that there's so much ignorance around race and culture. They're making assumptions about me because of my color, and going too far. Anyway, I am who I am and no apologies.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 05:49AM
We keep it real over deh so...

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 07:24AM
kyndgrl, re-read my post. I didn't say people were complaining ABOUT the artist. I said complain to the venue. It is their resposibility to try and keep the patrons somewhat safe. Seen?

It is sad that one cannot go to a live show and enjoy themselves. I miss the Maritime Hall. When it got to be too much fuss fuss on the floor, I went upstairs.
inspecta
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 23, 2006 02:23PM
Chimino sed it the right way.
truth
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 24, 2006 12:02AM
simple matter of communication, i been seeing the splitting paths of dancehall based pop reggae and roots reggae one inna million songs that blow up on the kmel's and wild 94.7's

they do draw a different crowd then a fairfax show or a snwmf show, thing is these folks feel the vibe just like those already been feeling the vibe. sometimes at native shows, my close friends, i see an exclusive type vibe from the crowd they draw that be acting kinda hard and rowdy, they dont send a message of this is reggae music and one love, but then i got to a show where it be mountain folks and river roots folks and they be kinda exclusive like they aint approachable either,

point is, people gonna have to put in work and make efforts to meet people from different scenes and try to develop and overstanding and enduring vibe. when it is genuine, the most high wont let no one say NO to this, ya dig?

in these bush dayz and timez, it s gonna be work. thats all, for those who feel some ownership of this music and culture, know the responsibility, aint no fat cats.

go on down and talk with folks, it is one love, right? everyone's card gets pulled and we start fresh and new
kyndgrl myspace.com/kyndgrl
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 24, 2006 06:23AM
yes it is supposed to be one love...but when you have these "new listesners" lets say...something just doesnt click...they are in tune cause the song sounds catchy, or the riddims are "cool"..whereas the people that are conscious and really there for the messages, and not want beer spillin on them, get knocked outta they way...while the next day they are just gonn ago onto live there Babylonian lifestyles....so no, myself and some others might not "approachable"..not cause we feel better than....but because we might be on different spirits??? just my thoughts...
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 24, 2006 07:49AM
Unfortunately - or maybe fortunately, I wasn't at the show BUT from what I've been told by a couple of friends it sounds like a hefty chunk of the audience were of the KMEL ilk. (KMEL is the Clear Channel hip hop affiliate in the Bay Area.) It sounds so different from the vibe at last November’s wicked show at the Independent in SF.

Oh wait! Maybe with all the dreadlocks flying, the Clear Channel clique confused the Damian Marley show for a Lil John gig hence the crunked out, drunked out, pushin’ and shovin’. Ain’t tryin’ to dis. I’m just sayin’.

Are we all really surprised at the crowd at the Warfield with Junior Gong’s rise to American popularity?

I heard that the “Welcome to Jamrock” and “Road to Zion” videos have been in heavy rotation on VH1 and MTV, Viacom’s dynamic music video duo. (Ah, and I Wayne’s “Can’t Satisfy Her” is among MTV’s Hot 5. To be forewarned is to be fore armed, I Wayne lovers.)

At any rate, Junior Gong is getting a lot of airplay on commercial radio and television. Quite a double-edged sword. On one hand, it’s incredible that he’s got the pull to forward reggae and draw more youth to his message. We’re talking MILLIONS of hip hop heads. On the other hand, it seems both the music and the message are falling on so many socially, politically, culturally deaf mainstream American ears. Hopefully, some of the poorly behaved youth filtered and processed through the pop culture hype, really heard Damian Marley, and felt something far headier than a cheap buzz off overpriced venue beer and Cali chronic.

The ironies of obtaining a far reach and commercial success! My worst nightmare for the Marley Family would involve the following:

1. A surge to the pinnacles of Western ideals of success
2. Demigod celebrity status and omnipresent media attention (Imagine paparazzi shots of Ben Affleck trying to mack on Cedella Marley plastered all over People, the Enquirer, and other celebrity rags. Ew.)
3. An inevitable fall from grace with the absolutely fickle bulk-of-the-bell-curve American public
4. Kymani signing a deal for a reality show based on the runnings at the Marley Resort in the Bahamas

I would sob inconsolably. Really and truly.

Or I can keep the faith that Damian will continue to rise above the chaff and unfailingly spread his word.
truth
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 24, 2006 11:24AM
those were 2 nice responses and reasonings on this post y'all, one love, send up some e-mails and i will forward 2006 passes to the V where the effort will be spent on keeping it right, one

JD aka
shunsta
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 25, 2006 08:44PM
haha i was at the wailers and itals in tahoe last night ,and boy did it suck ,i was too busy watching peeps get there weed taken by security,kind of funny kind of sad,f-you tahoefagarmada
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 25, 2006 09:29PM
what did I do?- I didn't go to the show cuz I worked until 11:30 last night- who are you anyway? Why are you afraid to post your e-mail like most everyone else. If you're gonna talk sh!t maybe you should do it to my face. I'll be at Dezarie on monday night...Great to have such a nice guy post after the previous reasonable responses
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 25, 2006 10:28PM
Shaunsta's just kind of a moron, don't pay too much attention to his posts. He comes from the same vein as the occasional Michael Corleon and Wolete Kristos, the people who pop up every so often just to say stupid things. Peace



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 25, 2006 11:28PM
Thanks James- I still don't understand why this guy hates me, must be because he rates John Browns Body and I just don't. Whatever---
---peaces---
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 12:08AM
I noticed no one addressed Ras Queen's African American perspective of the show...just ignored it really.

Typical.

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 12:14AM
lol...all the white people here gettin' all worked up....why not try LISTENING every once in a while instead of trying to dictate....

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 12:17AM
Someone above said "maybe folks need to holler at the marley bros and let them know they draw this crowd,"

I have seen the Marleys, and Damian many times in Austin and he has never drawn that kind of crowd here. The people who come show the ultimate respect and are dancing and upbeat but very easy to be around. The Flamingo Cantina is a small club and when they play, it sells out so things are tight.However, I have never witnessed what you are describing above. I hate to say this but could it be just the crowd they draw in California? I have seen Damian in Jamaica and he gets great respect and lots of horns and lighters but even there, the crowd is peaceful.



"love shines brighter than the morning sun"
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 01:19AM
Dear Mr. Marley,

I am writing to you concerning the large amount of hip-hop (African American Black Culture) people that attend your concerts. They are rowdy and unruly, like savage beasts.

This is just to let you know what kind of people you attract.

One Love Man

PS Dear Mrs. Ras Queen, you might feel better "over there", if you know what I mean. (wink wink)

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 01:20AM
My last post having a message, if you know what I mean....

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jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 03:12AM
j_72, arent the people referred to more likely white college frat kids? thats how its read to me so far, i didnt go to the show to see firsthand though.

one love
jah bill
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 05:50AM
Overall point missed by the author of the article was her "These people don't belong at a Marley concert" can (and was, on DHR) just as easily be flipped on her. When her self-righteousness was exposed, she threw around buzzwords like "racist" and left in a huff.
Hey since we're generalizing, she's a prototype of the town which she resides....too clouded by her own self-righteousness to realise she's just as narrow-minded as the element she's supposedly trying to rid the world of for the better.

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 06:00AM
Author: J_72 (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 02-25-06 16:08

I noticed no one addressed Ras Queen's African American perspective of the show...just ignored it really.

Typical.
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You really think a black person's opinion carries any weight where the reggae scene is concerned in Northern California? Please....that would get in the way of everyone patting themselves on the back for being so "conscious" and "Irie".
Why you think West Indian promoters get kicked to the curb each and every time they try set something up in the Bay Area, in favor of the....
Was said already on DHR; Jamaicans, West Indians, African-Americans all have zero control of the reggae & dancehall scene here, so of course noone gives a **** what RasQueen thinks, unless she's the garden-variety festival hippy with money to burn on a next stageshow.
Even Los Angeles is growing leaps & bounds compared to Northern Cali where legitimate reggae promotions are concerned, and that's sad given the history we've had here. Only way to change things is to move.

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 04:54PM
Got your back on this one Chimino.

This thread reaks of white racism and superiority.

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 07:48PM
No racism from me. Our crowd includes people of all races and cultures. We just vibe together very well.



"love shines brighter than the morning sun"
treeslug
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 07:51PM
Reggae's only for black people
If you're white and like the music, you aint nothing but a fashion dread
Music is the universal language, but only black people truly understand...
Come on now. For a group of people that seem to love a music that is supposed to be dedicated to peace and understanding, many of you seem to lack both, especially those at the dancehall forum. Yeah, white frat boys getting drunk, spilling beer, and moshin up at a reggae show is annoying. But to be fair, Jr. seemed to specifically market himself towards these exact people. Being on MTV definitely shows that you are becoming more successful, but this is the type of crowd that you are succesful with. However, when one states that a thread reaks of racism and superiority, they should take the higher road and not act all righteous and mighty themselves. Some may see this as hipocrisy. Quit talking about "the message" of reggae and actually take something away from it. I'm with you, Sista Irie. Unity is a two way street.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 07:58PM
<<<<However, when one states that a thread reaks of racism and superiority, they should take the higher road and not act all righteous and mighty themselves. >>>

Gotta call it as I see it...truth is an offense but not a sin...One Stone style....

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 07:58PM
tresslug missed the entire point by fixing up others' words. Typical...

treeslug
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 08:27PM
yeah... what a dumbass. I can't believe that someone actually thinks differently than me. What a stupid world... I hate everythinig and everyone... I rule...
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 26, 2006 08:32PM
Yes yes, go cry in a corner until you can reason intelligently.

Here's something for you to feast on while you're over there: "unity" will never occur until those in a superior position decide to step down and allow the rest to gain their rightful footing.

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 01:18AM
Wow, I had no idea that a written account of my own experience would cause such a debate, but I guess dialogue is good. It's interesting that the criticism I've read is directed not so much at what I wrote, but that I (white female) wrote it. After all, it is difficult to disagree with someone's experience - only possible to have a similar or different one.

On the issue at hand, I agree with a lot of what's been said. Yes, we live in racist system and there is white privilege that must be acknowledged by myself and others. I don't get followed around in stores, I had certain opportunities growing up, etc. And even though my ancestors weren't here, I benefit from the legacy of slavery every day as a member of the racial majority, as does all of white America (most of us on this board are actually trying to change things though). One of the points I was making in my review was that the people I know who have been following Jr. Gong for years (from the Caribbean) didn't get a chance to see him perform, which is a comment about the system.

What I object to is the personal stereotypes. Because I am white woman covering reggae, I must be this, that, or the other; that I don't have the right to cover certain things because I'm not the "right" color or nationality. That's dangerous territory. If I made parrallel assumptions in reverse, I would sound like a KKK member. I am a white woman who grew up on reggae music, and I don't try to be anything else. Everything I write comes from my own perspective and experience.

Lastly, I am not convinced that if I "stepped down" from running Jahworks.org, someone else would pick it up. There are tons of reggae sites and magazines out there and Jahworks.org is only one voice out of many. By the fact of our large readership, something tells me that I'm providing something of interest.

Anyway, thanks to those of you who have stood up on my behalf and I think it's important to be able to have candid discussions because people so often feel that they must tip-toe around the topics of race and culture.

Laura
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 02:17AM
Chimino- My thinking is that "those in a superior position" historically just about never "decide to step down" on their own. They have to be persuaded. Long ago they were overthrown by violent revolution. Recently "people power" in the Phillipines and parts of eastern europe has pulled off non-violent overthrows of existing oligarchies. (And there was Ghandi, also.) It seems to me that what enabled those movements to be effective was the unification of various ethnic, religious, and socio-economic segments of society that allowed "the rest to gain their rightful footing". Hence I would reason that a change in the system will never occur until there is unity. Racism is just one tool used by the system to keep the oppressed divided and distracted thus maintaining the current class hierarchy.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 02:56AM
This is an interest parallel universe over here.

I'm the person who started the thread over at DHR and I'm also the person who wrote: "It seems like the white woman who wrote the review would like to decide which type of white folks should be allowed to enjoy Black culture."

As Chimino has correctly pointed out, the tone of the authors "review" was an elitist rant on the 'proper' way to appreciate Jr. Gong and, as Chimino also correctly pointed out, that same elitist view (sense of entitlement?) can easily be spun around to serve other points of view.

The author wrote: "...my suspicion...[The young, mostly-caucasian audience] seemingly paid tribute to getting high, drunk...my irritation festered with the frequent beer spilling and careless elbowing...

...Apparently his ‘Halfway Tree’ people couldn’t get past the gauntlet of Bill Graham Presents’ rules and regulations. Maybe they didn’t have the money to pay Ticketmaster’s $10 service fee on top of the $30 ticket. Maybe they were all in New York, Toronto, and Florida. Notable was the fact that I did see a few of them passing out flyers outside when I left the venue."

There's more than enough judgment in the selections above and a healthy dose of subjective assumptions and that's what I was responding to.

Fundamentally she comes off as a white person who wishes to jealously guard access to Jr. Gong and set bars for what 'acceptable' behavior is.

I may or may not agree with the fundamental ideas expressed in the article (I've certainly had my fair share of annoyances from such crowds - even at SNWMF), but perhaps the author is standing guard against something that she doesn't have jurisdiction over.

One.
jarocked@gmail.com

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 03:03AM
"...that I don't have the right to cover certain things because I'm not the "right" color or nationality. That's dangerous territory. If I made parrallel assumptions in reverse, I would sound like a KKK member..."

Why oh WHY is it so common for white people to invoke the classic "Reverse Racism" bullshit argument?

Is it REALLY so difficult to see how historical and social differences as it relates to race (and gender and sexuality, of course) translate into ideological spaces where it's not necessarily "forbidden" for outsiders to tread, but where there might not but any TRUST invested in the motives of outsiders or where we might not have faith in the philosophical pedigree of an outsider?

Damn! Why is it that we STILL have to have this conversation with supposedly 'enlightened' white folks who (I assume) have cut their teeth on the real content of Reggae music and (hopefully) have internalized some aspects of the message therein?

Damn! Damn! Damn!

Wha dat yuh seh, Bob?

“...Until white people listen to black with open ears, there must be, well, suspicion” - Bob Marley
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 03:11AM
RASQUEEN:
I SAT THE SHOW AND IT WAS EXCELLENT! THE VIBES WERE ITAL! I FELT POSITIVE VIBES IN THE BALCONY SECTION. MAYBE OTHER RACES DIDNT FEEL GOOD VIBES, BUT SPEAKING FROM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW I ENJOYED THE SHOW.

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Ras Queen, I appreciate your input here - and it's telling that it didn't rate a mention by most of the people on this board.

I have often felt it necessary to construct an insulation around myself and focus only on the artist and their art. Out here in the Bay Area I'm bombarded with ideas and sensibilities (and nudity) that simply don't sit well with me so I block them.

This technique definitely helps me to ensure enjoyment of the performance and focus less on any perceived irritations in the audience (who I have NEVER paid to see).

If you'd like, follow the link to DHR elsewhere in this thread and come over to our side to check in with the multi-national crew.

One Love, Queen.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 03:13AM
"Here's something for you to feast on while you're over there: "unity" will never occur until those in a superior position decide to step down and allow the rest to gain their rightful footing."

^^Chimino wrote that.

Chimino, you are a real soldier, King.

You regularly come with the real talk and I'm always grateful to take them in.

You didn't leave much room for me to have a say in this thread. smiling smiley

One.
kyndgrl myspace.com/kyndgrl
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 05:18PM
hmmm...when did the thread become racist?? i mustve missed that part...anyways i too am an african american woman, and i had a completely different experience than the other sistren....no it was not irie to me at all!! Im not sure why she felt to include that?? like maybe the perspective mightve been diff being black?? Im sorry, but no it wasnt...at least not on my end...and for everyone attacking Laura, she was just saying what she witnessed at the show...i dont think she was saying what kind of people should or should not be there?? maybe some people responding should been at the warfield to see what was going on for themselves...

give thanks,
jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 05:27PM
here is something i would like to know:

chimino says:

> "unity" will never
>occur until those in a superior position decide to step down and allow the rest to
>gain their rightful footing."

since you say this in a context of black and white skin color, and you are white, what exactly have you done in say the last six months to "step down and allow the rest to gain their rightful footing"?

im serious here. its one thing to say that and another to do it star so for the sake of showing us how its supposed to be done, come in with it. im interested to hear exactly what you do to further your own idea of what it takes to cause unity to occur.

and please dont reply that youre the one white boy who is oppressed while the rest are the oppressor.

one love
jah bill
dr. lurkenstein
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 07:32PM
Wow. What a thread!

I sincerely hope that Chimino doesn't stoop to providing a laundry list of examples for JB Welda.

I always regard such "what exactly do you do" requests as a distraction from the real issues being discussed.
jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 07:45PM
hey lurkenstein im just looking for pointers from one who evidently does so much!

i dont think its much to ask, just a couple of examples.

one love
jah bill
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 09:12PM
I'll throw Bill a bone by pointing out I'm not in much of a position to step down from anything. Plenty of men with my skin tone are, however...from club-owners to CEOs of mulitnational corporations and everyone in between.

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 09:39PM
Sista Irie and Kyndgirl: your posts shine like the lotus in muddy waters.

I read somewhere that Bono spoke at this prayer breakfast for Christians in Washington DC and after he spoke, President Bush got up and started his speech with a joke. Bush said, "One Sunday a preacher was giving his sermon when a guy in the back of the church started shouting "Use me Lord! Use me!" which annoyed the preacher. Well, the next Sunday the same thing happened, so after the service the preacher told the guy, "OK- I want you to paint the pews in the church" and the guy did as he was asked, painting all the pews in the church, which was a lot of hard work. So the next Sunday, right in the middle of the sermon, the guy starts hollerin' again, but this time he says, "Use me, Lord use me- but only in an advisory capacity!"
jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:22PM
throw me a bone bs chimino.

so who exactly are you aiming that quote at? am i being paranoid in thinking its everyone of a caucasian persuasion at the festival? and how exactly do you figure youre up on some pedestal that you can "throw a bone" to those who challenge you to live up to the words you want others to live up to?

is that really "keepin it real"?

see, im not an idiot and i think about whats said, here and elsewhere. and my bs detector goes off big time every time you come in with something like that.

so, im still open to honest answers about what it is you expect from people who read this board and/or go to the festival since thats who your audience here is.

fyi: heres some real "keepin it real": 90% of the people youre addressing here dont have anything to "step down" from much less are captains of industry or ceo's or whatever your term may be. in fact in the context you said it, i have to think you mean laura needs to "step down" and only write glowing reports of everything (or at least everything youre in favor of) since she is, well, lets say it, *white* and of course the marleys are...hmmm...not so sure on that one, i would say at most 3/4 african descent. and its ironic this is said in this context because as far as i know the heir to his (daddys) fortune seems to be 100% african extraction and yet she acts like everyone owes her something (like owes her to "step down" and claim her sh*t dont stink).

so anyway, my point is, was and remains: what difference does color matter? you are judged by your works not your color and if your works are clean then...and if your works are filthy...and in my book speaking your mind in an honest manner is a clean works and needs to be honored, not smirked at from behind some computer screen in a bedroom somewhere (not to mentioned seconded by anonymous trolls in their bedroom somewhere in the safe suburbs).

one love
jah bill
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:23PM
Ras Caliwolf why is talking about race issues considered muddy waters? Why is race discussion such a taboo for so many non-African reggae listeners?

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:28PM
<<<<(not to mentioned seconded by anonymous trolls in their bedroom somewhere in the safe suburbs).>>>>>>>>>

Bill if you think I am an anynomous troll for asking questions regarding race and reggae, than you can easily get a hold of me anytime you want....my email is right there for you and every one to see. Please email me and I will give you my address and phone number so that we can reason further if you wish. I have nothing to hide and I am not a troll.

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jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:31PM
if the cap fits...you know the rest.

one love
jah bill
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:35PM
Well, Bill, I second what Chimino was saying, and so therefore assumed it was I and a few others you were referring to. Has nothing to do with the cap fitting Bill. Why are people who discuss race or other important factors of reggae music considered trolls? For discussing things that make others feel uncomfortable?

Awaiting the email Bill...a troll I am not.

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jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 27, 2006 10:44PM
sorry i dont email people from this board unless im already acquainted with them.

i was not necessarily including you in that j72, take that for what it will. i am discussing race here so thats not my definition of a troll. im calling someone out who has repeatedly posted contradictory postings (im thinking of the death penalty thing where he was all against it...unless the victim was a friend of his or something like that) and asking him to give me one concrete example of exactly what he wants others to do and then tell me how he has done it himself. thats all...an example i and you and everyone can follow to make this a better world.

so far ive heard nothing which is what i expected.

i dont want a war i just want some reality here. and not particularly from you but of course since this is a (near) public forum you may chime in at will; im just not addressing my comments to you at this point.

and as i noted above, i think you misread the article and responded to something that wasnt even said.

one love
jah bill
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 01:50AM
JB, color doesn't matter unless people's actions make it matter. Where this discussion is concerned, reggae music scene in the Bay Area is very segregated, with only a certain type of promoter gaining prosperity here. And that "type" is not one which brings authentic West Indian dances to the area.
Only certain promoters (or those with promotional aspirations) are let thru the gate, promoters who only push certain sounds for their parties. Everyone else gets left out in the cold. And it doesn't seem to be much of a coincidence that the faces of said promoters, sounds, and the crowds they bring are white.

Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 04:46AM
J72- the discussion of race issues isn't muddy, I was poetically saying that the emotions being stirred were clouding the expressions of opinions, and it seemed the only calm and considered posts were from the two mentioned. Derision does not help reasoning; though it may help debating, wherein one is trying to defeat an opponent and win. I would say that debating and reasoning are two different things, and I think the emotions stirred here were clouding an open discussion with derision. Then again the Bush joke I posted could be interpreted as derisive toward Chimino, and I guess I was taking Jah Bill's side for a minute there. I will be more vigilant in the future and check myself. One thing- how does anybody here know what race anybody is? I thought Kyndgrl was white and Chimino was black! As for myself, I would like to know what race you think I am and why...and what about mixed race people-the Homo sapiens of the future? And while I am expressing myself, somebody mentioned "reverse racism" I would say that there is no such thing as reverse racism. There is only racism, and racists come in all races.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 07:49AM
Well Ras Caliwolf, Love has to be our guiding principle...I was reading my Bible tonight and Jesus does say that Love is the most important thing....although race issues do seem a valid topic both in Reggae and Rasta, as well as in any country that was built on the African slave economy/chattel/production.

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Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 07:54AM
JahBill I overstand why you would not want to email a stranger...that is why I put mine out there... my email is open, because I am an open person and have nothing to hide, not from outernet weirdos nor from babylon and their peeping eyes.

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riffy
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 08:33AM
I think squeezing my dogs anal glands might be better than reading this thread. get along folks. Do we need to start an online "****-stirrers" anonomous group?-lol
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 09:04AM
Riffy, if you don't like the discussion, then don't comment.

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riffy
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 04:56PM
The reggae scene has obviously been compromised by too many aggressive fools. I won't attend the show and I will probably vanish from this board very soon as well, never to be seen again. May Jah help the vibes here.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 05:18PM
riffy, differences in human opinion are life's runnings. If you go looking for a place where there's no contention, as Peter Tosh said, peace is in the grave; the living seek justice. Not trying to defend any fokkery but the reggae runnings, like the rest of the world, are not all peace, love and hugs. There are plenty of good points made in this thread, along with all the 'aggression'.
Obviously you don't remember the frothing-at-the-mouth rmr newsgroup days of Mikael Enoch. This thread is downright docile by comparison.
jb welda
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 05:43PM
ok chimino you stated a perceived problem and i gotta respect that.

now, whats a solution in your mind? thats the hard part.

one love
jah bill
riffy
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 05:58PM
Thanks Stamina, your words are true, brother. Jus disheartening sometimes to see folks coming from such agro angles and thinkin dem creation steppa.
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 06:42PM
Riffy, why is talking about REALITY agro? Why are you so hurt to see people speak of injustice? Isn't that part of the Reggae message also?

"There ain't gonna be no peace 'til man get equal rights and justice..."
"Feel like bombing a church now that I know the poreacher is lying..."
"No need to get grumpy...talking about Blackman Redemtion..."
etc...etc...etc....


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riffy
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 07:04PM
I jus think it's kinda wasteful how peeps are arguing/reasoning (i say arguiing/reasoning because, many it seems don't want any part of objection) some peeps wanna forward some anger instead of someting positive. May I point out, positivty begets positivity. I don't expect perfection.- lol
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 07:18PM
Bring it to Bush/Cheney, I'm sure they'll be unable to resist your positive vibes.

@JB, I don't have a solution....can't dictate others' behavior, really.

riffy
Re: Damian Marley at the Warfield
February 28, 2006 08:08PM
precisely, chimino
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