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just saw matisyahu - he needs work

Posted by riffy 
riffy
just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 26, 2006 11:49PM
I just saw this cat after wanting to catch his performance live for some time now. Musically he and his boys need work. His singing was off key too much and the guitar player sucks. Mi 5 year old nephew could hold a better riddm. The young guitar playa sports too much pseudo-flash, mainly based on half-assed digi-effects and like I said, terrible riddm, uhgg. The crowd also left a lot to be desired...need I describe?..plenty a fine ooman though, which was one redeeming quality : ) Anyway, the singing off key was highly annoying, so I left after the fouth song. maybe with time he can improve?..we'll see.

Matthew(Matis) is someone that I wouldn't walk away from at a festival if he was doing a set, but I certainly wouldn't pay to see him perform by himself. I respect his positive message and seemingly sincere style, but he can't "throw it down" yet. Anyway, I thank m & the MOST HIGH for the opportunity to go and catch a new group.

Thanks & Praise
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 05:38AM
I agree.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 08:19AM
The question for our likkle Yiddilah reggae brethren is this: Matis do you rate the docrtine that your set of peeps is the 'Chosen People' superior to all other nations?

We know the answer because the 'Men-In-Black' do not hide their arrogant, eletist and misogynist chita. Unfortunately the men-in-black are not the only wack bible thumpers in the mix. They come in all colors and demoninations. Hehehe - them claim them God's chosen but them salt god's frozen.
--
Ovah
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PS: Matis get yourself a music teacher. Even Bro Bob, at the hight of his urthly career when he was ramming stadiums around the wurld, would come home a yard and take voice lesson from Joe Higgs.

j.p.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 10:16AM
I checked Matis with an open mind. After hearing a bunch of mixed reviews from a few of people. I read his bio, checked out his website,listened to some sound bites, so you can say i did a little research. But after all that, I would have to agree with riffy. I would not pay just to see him. Would not go out of my way to check his set at a fest either. I Like the message (some) but just like with Franti, I just don't dig the music or stage show (nuttin' wrong with that).

Peace
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 10:47AM
ask Ras the same question Ovah. ASk Christians the same question about who the chosen people are. They will tell you it is the children of Israel. As it was written long ago. It has little to do with thinking someone is better or worse. The chosen are just as capable of wickedness as the rest of us. I would assume (I may be wrong) that you are not a believer if you were you would be hard pressed to explain how you have come to your conclusion.
TR-808
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 10:52AM

> just saw matisyahu - he needs work


wow, that was fast.

to be honest though, i didn't ever think his reggae gimmick would last long, but it did sound like he was doing alright for a minute there.

maybe he could get work in construction or some kind of temp labor job

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Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 10:54AM
TR-808 ya funny bwoy!!! lol, btw Ninja, ya gotta opinion on his skillz azza "reggae" performer? jus curious...



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blessid love
ras danny
higher reasoning reggae time
KBOO Portland, Full Strength Community Radio
*Love is a net that catches hearts like fish.*
-Muhammad Ali
*I don't like reggae, I love it*
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 11:14AM
>I would assume (I may be wrong) that you are not a believer if you were you >would be hard pressed to explain how you have come to your conclusion.

Ninjacat - please restate your question because I agree with your position
and a big yes - semantics aside - ' believer or knower ' the Creator-centered walk is the only eternal reality.
--
Love Supreme
Ovah

Diesel
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 11:53AM
I was very dissapointed. I think that he sounds better ont he radio than in person.
Spliff Smoker
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 11:54AM
Bring back Snow!

"Leaky Boom Boom Down" They just don't write like that anymore.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 11:55AM
Man, I like Snow... for the same reasons I like Shinehead.
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 12:24PM
ha..good one, kickdrum...he might need some kinda work sooner than later if he doesn't get some voice lessons.

I wanted ta add that his vibe, after listening intently, seems to be a compilation of sounz from certain influences...i.e...Rocker-T, Sublime etc..He appears to be grasping for his own chops, but hasn't truly found'em yet, so he's repeating what some of his favs do musically. That's probably why his voice quivers in and out of key sometimes, because he don't really know who he is in this iwa. Best wishes to him and his work.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 01:00PM
>and what was the reason for sony records to pick up a below average 'live' concert recording & promote 'everywhere' like its sum how a gift to reggae?



-RASpects+
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 01:00PM
I think you might be misunderstanding, this is like someone saying that Burru Banton or Sizzla sing off key. I think that is sort of the point. I also think that much of what he does is tradtional Hasidic chants. I liked the show. I only saw about an hour of him before I had to retire. The crowd was weak as far as energy goes, but that is what I have learned to expect out of most crowds in Portland. I have only been to one show the crowd was rockin that was KRS ONE at Berbati's Pan, now that show was off the hook. Black white and Chinese rocking back and forth to the TRU Master. Anyway, to each their own.

Ovah. You know what I am saying then. The Bible teaches that the Sons and Daughters of David and the chosen. This is not a matter of arogance as I am sure you well know. Peace
levi-t
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 02:59PM
not too sure i can agree, ninja...

when matis tried his chances at singing vs. dj'ing, his voice was no where near the right note, much less consistent.

just an observation in sc...
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 27, 2006 04:56PM
ninja - i was refering to the english lyrics when I speak of "singing out of key", not his chants, which even seemed strained imo. Some artists can slightly and tastefully alter a key occasionally. However, his altering, I can assure you, is not intentional when he briefly slips out of key or goes flat and then tries to recover before anyone really notices. just my take...peace
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 06:54AM
again I just point out the voice of Capleton, the voice of Sizzla, the voice of Yellow man (I'm gettin gmarried) the voices of countless Dj' who would feel the wrath of Simon Cowell had they tried out for American Idol None of these people sing on key, they are all over the place. Compare them to Gramps of the Morgan Family or Luciano.
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 08:45AM
I know wat ya getn at, we jus have differing views.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 09:08AM
Ninjacat say:
>Ovah. You know what I am saying then. The Bible teaches that the
>Sons and Daughters of David are the chosen. This is not a matter
>of arogance as I am sure you well know.

Bro Ninjacat - Who's bible ?? Every name-brand religion says their scripture is the only real bible and their god is the only real god. Hahaha - none of them got the video on this. They only got their opinion and the dayly news reveal every one of the name-brand religion is corrupt cuz judge a tree by them fruits and them fruits are rotten stinking to high heaven.

And this is only my opinion. Time for truth-seeker to get their nose out of moldy spin-doctored stacks of papers. Get out of Dodge while the gettins good. Read the scripture written in the cathedral of mother nature. If your brain is short- circuiting find the right healing and if your structure is run out of juice find the right healer to put jumper-cables on you.

"I'm fleeing from the city
The city is set up on fire"
Yabby You

> Peace
No justice - No peace
<><><><>
Ovah
--------
The 10,000 equally blessed tribes

Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 09:48AM
The bIble I am refering to is the one that contains the Old Testement and the 4 gospels. This is what I am speaking of. It is the same Bible that the vast majority of Christians refer to. The same one that contains Torah. This is what I am talking about. Religon and the Bible are seperate entities. If you believe in The G-d of Abraham then you know of what I speak. I am not here to defend what humanity has done in the name of religon, but they have done the same thing in the name of equal rights and freedom yet do we cast asid eual rights as freedom the way we do religous teachings? Humanity is part of the cathedral of mother nature.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 01:00PM
>Humanity is part of the cathedral of mother nature.

Yes it is bro - and humanity best quit raping, pillaging and desecrating our mother
for the desire of $$ and control thru the mechanisms of church and state. This wurld is the hand we been dealt and the conscious ones need escape the mental slavery of all the isms. Only half the story ever been told. Abraham came late in the game. Plenty before him said it clear and simple. "Add nothing to it and take nothing away from it." Stacks of paper complicate it and thus unfortunately become part of the problem.

Who are these upholders who came at least 60,000 year before Abraham? There is a precious few who have upheld and preserved the simple oral tradition faithlfully and accurately passing it generation to generation. They exist in every one of the 4 corners of this wurld. You won't find them in public. You must look for them. If you want help to find those truth-keepers in your region please provide a private message address.

All the children of this creation are equally loved and blessed irregardless if they have awakened to being co-creative lovers and blessers. The loving parent does not want to loose one of them.
<><><><>
Cheerfully acknowledging the 10,000 equally blessed tribes
Ovah

Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 01:10PM
well we can agree on some things but not on others, then again the world would be boring if we all saw it the same way. Not to bring science and reason into this, but you will have to show me that human beings existed over 70,000 years ago in some form or another for me to buy into what you are saying. I have a general rule that if what a person says contradicts what is generally aceepted and known without any form of that troublesome word "proof" I have to hear some reasons at least a creative story.
reality check
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 01:15PM
i am so "ovah" religious fools. get it through your tiny heads, there is NO god. now that you have that bullshit aside, try treating each other with respect as human beings and not as small minded bigots believing that the tooth fairy, santa claus or whoever you pray to, thinks you are more special than the next person. any idiots looking for enlightenment should try kerosene and a match.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 01:43PM
Sure, we all saw where the oh so enlightened human thought that did away with that stupid antiquated concept of God led us, as fashioned by such evolved beings as Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot...right into the most monumental and heinous massacres and genocides history has ever known. Better check your own reality. Your post is demeaning and insulting to the majority of humanity. I am pretty amused by what a hypocrite you are when after you chat fukkery about the human race, you then turn around and galang about "treating each other with respect as human beings".



Post Edited (02-28-06 13:50)
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 01:46PM
>I have a general rule that if what a person says contradicts what
>is generally aceepted

Bro Ninjacat,
Galileo, JC (and a cast of millions) have been put to death for
stepping out of what is generally accepted.

>without any form of that troublesome word "proof"
>I have to hear some reasons at least a creative story

nuff nuff proof out there and in there. you won't find it in the public
realm (or in this public forum) of what is generally accepted.
Is up to you. Previous offer stands.
<><><><>
Onward and Inword
Ovah
---------------
PS: Reality Check - Ya good mon !! cynical but good
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 02:18PM
unlike the martyrs you named you expect that I should take your word for it. The offered their reasonings in Public for all to see.
reality check-mate
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 04:15PM
>Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot

George Bush believes in religion, the KKK believe in religion, so do the Islamic pussyholes cutting peoples heads off on their homemade videos for Al Jazeera, etc.
What I wrote offends you? Tough ****. Tossing out science for voodoo and witchcraft offends me.
Did you get the name stamina from being a durable bottom in juvy hall?
matt
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 04:30PM
realiy check-mate. what you beleive is what you beleive. just stop disrespecting people's faith in any "god" for the sake of your faith in science. they're both faiths.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 04:53PM
Just for the record, Im pretty sure Hitler was a Christian, not an atheist.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 04:59PM
>unlike the martyrs you named you expect that I should
>take your word for it. They offered their reasonings in
>Public for all to see.

Bro Ninjacat
JC did not always divulge it all - all of the time.
It was a matter of timing. He zigged & zagged
plenty and held his mouth plenty. He wouldn't
even speak certain time no matter the threat put
on him.

This has nothing to do with secrecy for there are no secrets
under the sun. Its all plain as day right under our nose for
them who inquire with good intention.

Three reasons to take this private:
- most of the people on this board could give a rat's asz about
this reasoning. Its called netiquette
- this matter is a personal matter between the truth seeker and
the Creator.
- discretion is a virtue
--
Love eternal
Ovah
PS: Reality Check - Did I speak too soon about you being good?
Stamina is a Bro. You reveal an uneccessary dark & bitter side.
Nuff guy talk tuff behind the keyboard would never try that
man to man. I do appreciate your keen sense of humor
but -------- Nice Up !

jb welda
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 05:14PM
science is not a "faith". quite the contrary, by definition

thank you

one love
jah bill
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 05:31PM
damn you peeps.. you're getting crap all over my matisyahu thread : )
lets start a thread called frothing at the mouth, as Stam puts it. I started a thread last night before going to bed. It was called "S*** Stirrers Anonymous". I guess that topic heading wasn't well favored and consequently yanked. : (

Feel free to use the Frothing at the mouth thread for practicing your stirring techniques and such.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 06:29PM
Actually, reality chick, I did indeed spend a couple months in juvy for ganja many years ago, but never saw anything like what you mention. Judging from your depiction, you must be quite intimately acquainted with such behavior. Perhaps you were one of those molested altarboys and that's why religion revulses you?
Like I said, you have come with nothing but pure hypocrisy. "Respect your fellow human beings, you stupid fairy-tale-spouting voodoo @$$holes!" Yeah, you're a real reasoner, alright. Insecure, insolent punks like you who know nothing of human nature are a dime a dozen. Next!

John, Hitler spouted religious platitudes early in his political career to ingratiate himself with nominally Christian German voters. Later, after his power was secured, he'd say things such as:
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."
I suppose this belief is also shared by reality chick.

jb, science is chock full of beliefs, I believe they're called theories based upon empirical evidence...the Big Bang, evolution, atomic structure, quantum theory etc...the first time nuclear fission was attempted, the scientists didn't know if the reaction would end or if all the matter on earth would go off, they believed it would not destroy the world, but they had no way of knowing.
BTW, yes, Matisyahu needs work.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 07:46PM
Be sure to catch his Benefit concert Monday March 13th @ Ruby Skye in SF....

Only $50.00 Dollars!!

Yeah.



Bless,



Christopher
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 08:34PM
> BTW, yes, Matisyahu needs work.

funniest thing I read yet in dis thread...



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blessid love
ras danny
higher reasoning reggae time
KBOO Portland, Full Strength Community Radio
*Love is a net that catches hearts like fish.*
-Muhammad Ali
*I don't like reggae, I love it*
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 09:23PM


>Be sure to catch his Benefit concert Monday March 13th @ Ruby Skye in SF....
>Only $50.00 Dollars!!

Who is the Benefit for?

Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
February 28, 2006 09:59PM
it's for a synogauge I believe. Luna's manager was mentioning this show to me back in January and gave me some flyers for it, although the flyers had The Fillmore listed as the venue. Peace



Dr. Suess (aka Ras James)
Irie Sounds International
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 06:52AM
1) Only Christ knows who follows HIM. The words of man are untrustworthy.

2)Science IS a faith JB and I will not just make the claim I will show you how it is so. In order for the scientific method to be anything more than a practical tool, like the lever, one thing has to be true. It is called P.U.N. otherwise known as the Principle of the Uniformity of Nature. In short P.U.N. states that the laws in the natural universe are the same today as they were a billion years ago and will be the same a billion years from now. If this is not the case then science can tell us nothing more about the past and the future then a man with a small sack of chicken bones. For instance, if the physical laws eb and flow like the tides or the climate science is a practical tool which works for the betterment of your and my life, but it can tell us nothing about the capital T truths that may or may not exist.

3)Ovah, JC believed that Abraham and the Jews were the chosen people. He was devout. He also recognized that being of the people was not enough to secure your salvation. That the people had taken Love out of the lae and the law had become more a tradition and a culture instead of a loving breathing thing. I would also like to point out that just like the hasid "wear their religon" on their lapel the same is true of Rastafari. They have the same roots.
reality check-mate
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 09:29AM
Nice try stamina, i find it funny that i was right about you. However you are all wrong about me. I merely am sick of watching idiots like you preventing the world from moving forward, under the guise of voodoo and witchcraft. It's a shame that all the education and research accumululated, has done nothing to correct this fear of logic. Keep worshiping your tooth fairy, stamina. You're just a chump and nothing more. Hopefully the science you don't believe in won't be there for you when that tumor in your colon kicks in. You can just sacrifice a cat to Santa Claus or whatever primative ritual you do in place of science.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 09:39AM
>> Who is the Benefit for?
>it's for a synogauge I believe.

No surprise: Same old same old name-brand shitola -- and sung outa
tune ta boot !

Ninjacat say:
> JC believed that Abraham and the Jews were the chosen people.

According to that fragmented lame set of moldy old propoganda.
.. and this perilous wurld spins toward destruction everyone armed
with their dogma and so sure 'god' is on their side
.... the chosen gone frozen

Too bad people rely on middle-men and tracts of propoganda instead
of personally sitting in with the 'almightly counselor / great physician'
Who, incidently, if you remember the fine print in your own scripture,
continually gave it all up to the Creator.

The door is open all ya gots to do is knock with respect and come on in.
<><><><>
Acknowledging the 10,000 equally blessed tribes
Ovah

Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 09:57AM
If I didn't know any better I would think you were a Jah MEek disciple. A man singing a benefit for his house of worship is somehow a problem?

You again failed to address what I wrote. Jesus was a Jew a devout Jew who told of things taht wer and were yet to come.

You are correct in one thing, the moldy old propogand should not be the guide. Even JC knew this and that is why you have the Hola Spirit. The Hola Spirit often times goes against old thought and crusty interpretations of this.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 09:58AM
See, chick-meat, that's the problem with your vapid and one-dimensional thinking, that you still don't understand people can believe in the advancement of man's scientific knowledge and still have a belief in a higher power than the pride and vanity of mankind. I won't even dignify your claims that you know who or what I am.
I have a degree in psychology with a minor in chemistry, you $#!+head. Please extricate your head from the dark smelly place it's in and go peddle your shallow tripe somewhere besides this festival forum; I suggest one of the newsgroups, say soc.culture.atheism.losers. btw, one thing you need is a little faith in the English language and some lessons in grammar and spelling; don't be as 'primative' in this realm as you are with your didactics and reasoning.
jb welda
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 10:16AM
a whoa. i think i will refrain from name calling but let me address one thing here:

ninja baffling with bs doesnt do much for me. your refutation of the scientific method is just that, baffling bs. and stamina i know there are theories...they are not scientific facts they are theories. the scientific method is used to prove or disprove those theories. science is not faith, it is fact. some theories are based on faith possibly but then it is science that proves or disproves them.

and yes i agree with you stamina that one can be of a scientific bent and still have faith in a higher power. the two are separate though they seem to contradict each other. that is the dynamic of life if you ask me. "faith" cannot be proven, it just is. so debates or arguments about it are doomed to failure.

one love
jah bill
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 10:55AM
jb, this is not bs just because you have already made up your mind. Science is a philosophy, it has certain structure. This is why it is the prefered method of discovery. Scientists make certain assumptions in order for their method to work. As stated above in science depend on the fast that things are now as they always have been and always will be. I will give you another clear example of this. An object in motion tends to stay in motion an object at rest tends to stay at rest. Scientists, in oreder to formulate theories need this to be true not only now, but they need it to have been true 1 billion years ago and from now. This has to be a set law. Because their was no one around 1 Billion years ago and because no one can see the future they rely on faith that this is so. That these "laws" are set in stone so to speak. This cannot be known beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 10:58AM
int he past not in the fast
jb welda
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 11:00AM
and so, what youre alluding to, is that since no one was around at the supposed time of "creation", to believe in creation is just as scientific as to believe in evolution, or just as non-scientific because no one has actually witnessed evolution either so it is "faith" based as well.

if thats so i think we all ought to toss out all modern life and go back to living in caves.

on the other hand that would probably be better for the earth. cue michael franti. or george bush.

one love
jah bill
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 11:10AM
no that is not what I was alluding to. If I get sick I go to a doctor. If I have a question about biology I go talk to a biologist, If I have a question about cars I go see a mechanic. Science is a great way of knowing things. I use it's benefits everyday, BUT it is not the end all, there are a lot of assumptions that are made. To say that science is fact based is to act as though there are not serious leaps of faith that are being made and there are. That is all I am saying. Science sets up the type of evidence that can be considered and if anything falls outside of acceptable it is disregarded so it will be impossible to ever prove anything unless you are using the scientific method. Meaning science only concerns itself with the how and not with the why. Which is good, BUT I do not take from that that the WHY doesn't exist.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 11:43AM
the science vs evolution argument is like chasing your own tail.
Them both are true and compatable.

Hey Ninjacat: What's Jah Meek deal with? I've heard his name but
don't know about him. Is he my kind of bro?
<><><><>
Ovah

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do
it from religious conviction" (Blaise Pascal)

jb welda
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 12:09PM
faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen : hebrews 11:1

ive been staring at this quote on my computer screen since it is in a jah shaka poster i use for my desktop. it took a while but its sinking in. its a deep quote if you ask me and sort of links faith to science in a way.

one love
jah bill
reality check-mate
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 12:43PM
stamina - A degree in psychology. Impressive! It's always the class that strippers who also go to college take. It's one of the "harder" subjects. But then, along come offers for a lucrative career in porn and, well, so much for school. You must have had a lot of competition to make the deans list. A minor in chemistry? All you need now is a hot plate, some ether and a case of sudafed, then you can go into the family business! Sorry my spelling / grammar has been poor, but i have forbade spellcheck for Ash Wednesday and laughing while typing fast does lead to sloppy work. Just one last question. Will you offer analysis to the people you sell meth to?
kate
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 01:20PM
this is such a negative thread - cant you all just agree to disagree?

Some people have faith in religion
Some people have faith in science

And some people are a little of both. Why should it be anyone's business what someone else believes? ANd why is it okay to judge someone based on their beliefs?

This thread makes me sad :-(
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 01:23PM
weak stir...lil punk arm
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 01:25PM
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. - Psalm 1
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 01:30PM
Kate, don't pay attention t the things that bother you. There is plenty of good reasoning going on.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 01:54PM
Your pathetic attempts at slander have been duly noted by the good folks here, as well as your concomitant attempt to dodge the actual subject matter at hand. Of course, your lack of cogent and/or substantial arguments is already a matter of public record.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 02:29PM
I have a degree in Philosophy would you like to take a stab at making fun of that reality?
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 02:34PM
we be edumacated
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 02:59PM
that is all part of my strategery
j.p.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 01, 2006 05:13PM
prediction-by this time next year Matisyahu will be nowhere to be found on the "reggae circuit" just another novelty act being pounded into the minds of the youth by radio and mtv. peace
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 05:46AM
and then recall what barrington levy tells i & i -

'everybody mus work,'
papa ray
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 05:57AM
Actually, I'd say Matis is getting all the work he can get.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 06:05AM
and SONY et al are supporting him to the max eh?
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 06:48AM
it seems that the converstation tends to lean toward why people seem to like Matis. The bottom line is that most people apparently do. You can try to make it sound like it is just a bunch of MTV watching teenie boppers, but that just isn't true. JB I would like to place a wager that says he is even bigger (bigger as far as concert sales, cd sales so on) next year that he is today. I think he is getting ready to release a new studio cd called "Youth" sometime early this month. It was said above the Matis WORKS and he does, his fame comes from getting in on a lot of shows that a diverstiy of people go to. Up here at the Sasquatch Festival, down in LB. Playing NYC. I might be wrong, but he just seems to be touring a lot more in the states than a lot of Reggae artists (it should be noted that I do not consider Matis to be either Roots or Dancehall Reggae) He is just a guy who likes to play music in his own style. You may not like that style, but you can't say he is copying someone else. As far as anyone has said he walks the path as well passing up all the Friday Night revenue to obseve Sabbath. More than can be said for a lot of "rootsman". As far as him being supported by Sony good for him, any DJ in the busisness from Buju to Caplet, to Sizzla would Love to have the support of Sony.
papa ray
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 08:44AM
At the same time I cannot take offense to Matis I can also decline any need
to play his CD(uh, ain't no vinyl)when there are so,so,so many of my little
7 and 12 inch friends needing a spin.

As de American Youth check for this guy, there's a case to be made he's a step up from an easy 90% of what they's exposed to in the market. In other words,
an arguably bettah' role model than 50 Cent. But so far, he's not dropped a side
that would make the cut on my little set-------
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 08:51AM
good enough
jjlab3
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 10:14AM
1st-Matisyahu has been recording for what? All of 18-24 months. Of course he is not to the level of some 3 decade reggae or dancehall veteran. I would say his debut debut studio and "Live at Stubbs" discs are a very strong initial effort.

2nd-The guy is from New York,Jewish, and from a totally different background than a Jamaican yard artist. His sound is different, and different does not have to be inferior. He has his own backing band and for their age I would say they are really tight.

3rd- Because he is gaining mainstream popularity and is a white jew the racist reggae snobs on this board will never accept him even if the guy has a 20 year career and keeps his lyrics positive and conscious.

I mean who would have thought that a Hasidic Jew singingjaying conscious jewish dancehall would gain mainstream success. I am sure he could not have.

Big up Matisyahu for doing his thing and having the world change around him. Only in America.
jb welda
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 10:45AM
>JB I would like to place a wager that says he is even bigger

maybe you got me confused with jp who posted something much more to the point youre addressing.

i do have to give him this: his message is a whole lot more positive than 50 cent, thats for sure and thats a good thing.

one love
jah bill
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 11:12AM
ahh thanks fo rthe correction.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 11:42AM
>jjlab3 say:
>Because he is gaining mainstream popularity and is a
>white jew the racist reggae snobs on this board will never
>accept him

That could be a small part of it but the problem is this: While the reggae
fraternity has always had diverse opinions the collective conscious has always
been an underclass thing on the side of the sufferers and it has always
been a freedom vibe. Roots reggae has always been an alternative to the
name-brand churchy paradigm. (until now when mascot like Christafari
and Matis show up)

Hey ! Homo Sapien as a species are somewhere between apes and angels
so yea: Matis got some redeaming values but lets keep the reggae vibe in
perspective.

Matis telling us it is wrong to sip our cup in our ancient traditional way but
its ok for him to sip his pope-juice and thats the only legit way. Nuff of
them men-in-black is furkuckinah shicker (wack rum-head in Yiddish).

So out-of-tune physician heal thy boomba self before ya go preachy
and tell others what to do !

No matter if its his first album - the music got to be right. Name one
reggae veteran who started with a weak, discordinant, out-of-tune
sound. Ya can't ! Can you imagine the Mighty Diamonds premiering
with an out-of-tune 'Right Time Come' and people saying: "Oh its their
first release - be patient with them" Ha - joke business that.
<><><><>
Ovah
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do
it from religious conviction" (Blaise Pascal)

Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 12:41PM
not to start a sufferah was, but be serious look at the History of the Jew. Look at the history of the Hasid in general and how they came to live here in this county. Please don't just look at what happened during WW2 either the history is much deeper than this. As far as Maits telling you what to do, I think that everyone hs the right to decide their own destiny, nuff Ras tell people to clean up their act and stop the dutty livity. All I ask is this, Is he consistent in his words and his actions? If so I cannot fault what he is saying. Is he perfect? Obviously not but then again, who is? I find this "out of tune" thing to be extrememly funny, I could list (already have) a whole slew of Reggae Toasters that can't sing a lick by traditional vocal standards including the Great R.N. Marley. Not even his guitar was in tune, but who cares. He was singing praises to the Almighty King. As the saying goes, life every voice and sing, not just the ones that are in tune.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 12:57PM
Marley, a singer not a toaster, was not only very vocally in-tune both live and on record, he was one of the great scat improvisers of reggae music.
Big ups to Matis on his success without relying on slackness or foolishness in his lyrics, but when I saw him a week ago in Santa Cruz, he could get painfully out of key when he attempted to sing rather than toast.
jjlab3
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 01:01PM
Well said Ninja.

Half of the top toasters of yesterday and today can't carry a tune and some of their voices are way off and yet they make some crucial tunes.

Some of my examples-

Red Rat
Lee Scratch Perry
Dillinger
Even Super Cat's voice is pretty flat and out of tune.

In response to Ovah's Mighty Diamonds example I am not saying that Matisyahu will be an icon of reggae I am just saying that the he has a fairly tight young band, conscious lyrics, and for a debut artist can swing between signing and toasting better than many. "Out of tune" should not even be an issue.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 01:08PM
fair enough Stamina, but that guitar.......smiling smiley
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 01:10PM
i will say it again, differing views. This cat's voice is grating to me when he slips around grasping at a note only to go flat or completely miss...Not good not pleasant fi mi ears. If he started with an altered intention, it might be passable, but this is not the case.

Supercat BIG GENERAL
LEE CRAZY DUB GHOST
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 02, 2006 08:46PM
Music is one of the only root/route to the soul for I. Ears are secondary to my heart. I'm also a reader of Kaballah with Torah though not much lately. Yet, Matis record not moving me though appreciated him more after seeing him. Roots is my guide, my driver.

At RaggaMuffins, met a black African Jew who said in 20 years Hasidic reggae will have transformed the world with positivity. He believes in Judaism as the root of monotheism. He told me that it wouldn't be me to make the change but my daughter's group to embrace Matis. Hesitant to write of someone's else view here since received but a snapshot.

Not my connection, I stay with the sufferahs. Believe that our over worship in technology and it's goodies have cast us toward the cliff. We sold the cow for the beans, climbed the stalk, stole the goose and now think our poop no stink. Jamicans and I totally different tribes, doesn't keep me from learning how to grow my spirit and my heart.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 06:12AM
Malcom good points consider though that the wheel is also technonolgy and is the sickle. Misuse of technology is the crime and the downpressor. Torah is the root, it was the book of King Davis and the wise King Solomon. From it spring the Hola Trinity Judism, Christianity and Islam also known as the Father (Judism) the Son (Christ) and the Hola Spirit (Islam). G-d is One.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 06:31AM
David , it is early
buttah....
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 07:09AM
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Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 08:16AM
the fight for right will go on all levels by all types of folks and so it is that we welcome one another's efforts and energies...

get up stand up
don't give up the fight
get up stand up
stand up for your right
don julio
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 08:25AM
ovah - you seem to not approve of organized religion - everyones entitles to their opinion. However, some of the statements in your previous post make your viewpoint seem rather negative and judgemental.

"Matis telling us it is wrong to sip our cup in our ancient traditional way but
its ok for him to sip his pope-juice and thats the only legit way. Nuff of
them men-in-black is furkuckinah shicker (wack rum-head in Yiddish). "

Maybe I misunderstand, but here you dismiss and insult hasidic jews and then seem to refer to them sipping pope-juice? Are you educated enough about hasidic jews to know that they are not in league with the pope, or do you just place all followers of organized religion in the same lump, not bothering to learn anything about them, simply hating on them all equally?

Give thanks for creator and the beautiful creation that we may go and meditate and draw intuitive knowledge of jah laws. Give thanks also for the scripture that teaches us the same things - love ye one another and praise the true and living god above all else.

respect to ninjacat for his posts in this thread.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 08:30AM
I think Ovah was referring to Matis' pension for alcohol. Wine is sometimes referred to as pope-juice, but I got the impression that he was into something more substantial. "Hennessy, Hennessy, there ain't no place I'd rather be". Sorry, i forgot this is a Dead-free zone.....
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 09:01AM
Daniel am I missing something is Matis a big drinker?

"Young Man don't you know drugs impurify your mind
When Israel (sp JBsmiling smiley) left Mitzryam 4/5ths got left behind
If you got no water how you gonna survive
Roots lead you to the well spring so you can stay alive."

Roots-ee That is why I dig the guy cause he just flows positive, he takes it back to the roots and the message of the G-d of David. Enough Ras stray from the message and make up stuff. Capleton the self described Prophet is a good example of what I mean. Depending on which song you listen to he claims that the Pope John Paul 2 is the anti christ, then he claims the throne of the Pope as the anti christ. I have hear him say that Napolean was the anti christ and now GW Bush is the anti Christ. Interpreting at will the Book of Revelation. I have no problem with new thought, I think one point Ovah made about there being a lot of old crusty propoganda being passed around is quite true. However this does not mean just throw open the doors and let some sort of post modern reality take over Torah and the scriptures. I am rambling now, but I just find it strange that so many of the critics of Matis attack his person and not his sound. I know enough of you have said you just don't like his sound, but you know what I mean. Calling him a fad, a fake, all of this business. We need More artists who are the true to themselves like Matis Reggae as a whole would greatly benefit.
riffy
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 09:10AM
Don Julio tells it straight~werd.

Ninjacat (kung-fu kitty) is a good reasoner.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 09:30AM
put on mi shoe
and mi tie up mi lace
tell the whole a dem
that ninjacat run di placesmiling smiley
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 10:21AM
respect, ninja-san...


Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 11:34AM
one of my many disguises. Only two people on this board have seen the Nina face to face and know the true identitiy. While there are others who know the alias and have spoken to the man face to face but were never privy to the secret identity. Big Up Change and Xacto aka Bun! my alter ego is safe in their care.
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 04:54PM
big up Ninja! alter ego is safe for sure...
Stevo
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 05:59PM
Down boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


don julio
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 07:45PM
Thanks for the clarification Daniel- I was unaware of that term.
don julio
Re: just saw matisyahu - he needs work
March 03, 2006 10:01PM
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