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Burning Spear and Toots

Posted by Ras the Builder 
Ras the Builder
Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 01:44AM
I saw both on the one night a couple of years ago. Brning Spear was spiffing and his band played some jolly good roots. On the other hand, Toots was awful. He has no mic technique and his band played terrible Americanised, guitar solo ridden music. Anyone else seen either of late?
skip1
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 02:36AM
What do you mean "mic technique"? are you talking about his voice? are you talking about the way he holds the mic?
That guy has been around before mics were invented, respect your elders...
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 02:42AM
The way he holds and uses the mic. A sound engineers worst nightmare (sorry - nitemare). He holds his mic about 2 feet from his mouth.
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 02:51AM
technology is good when used appropropriately but it ain't nuttin compared to the power and glory of the real-deal like Toots. Toots will live on when a million flavor-of-the-month tin-ear musaks are long forgotten.

I vote for a United Nations International Toots Herbert Day.

Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 02:59AM
Yes, but with an audience of several thousand, it doesn't matter how great he is or isn't, if he can't use a mic properly then nobody's going to hear him.
skip1
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:21AM
do you know why he holds the mic that way? do you think there may be some reasoning behind that?
Could you imagine if he held the mic up to his lips? - I think that would be a sound engineers worst nightmare...
You think he rolls without his own soundman? you think his engineer is thinking, "gee, when will this guy hold the mic up to his mouth?" haha
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:29AM
Probably had to do with what he was hearing coming through the monitors. Maybe he got shocked when the mic brushed his lips during sound check (it has happened to me) and decided to play it safe. Or maybe he felt that his vox wasn't up to par that particular night and was using mic technique to bury it in the mix a little. Everytime I have seen him his mic technique was excellent.
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:31AM
He did not have his own engineer at this gig. Ideally, a singer should hold the mic about 1 inch from his mouth. If you watch someone with good mic technique e.g. Tom Jones, he will also pull the mic away during loud passages and also turn it away slightly on 'P's and 'B's. Not trying to piss anyone off. it's just that he had the worst mic technique I've ever seen and his band was awful.
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:33AM
maybe he felt that his vox wasn't up to par that particular night and was using mic technique to bury it in the mix a little

I don't think so, I saw him on Jools Holland and it was the same..
skip1
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:46AM
Every time I have seen toots that is how he holds the mic, way down low like 2 feet from his mouth... thats just how he does it... each singer should have a "mic technique" suited to thier style...


anyone ever seen toots get on the keys? play some organ? he got skillz (thats how we spell it in usa)

his band was horrible? is it that? or is it that you didn't like what they were playing?
cuz.... his band got skillz too

Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:50AM
what make microphone is toots using in the photo above?
must always be a very good multidirectional one?
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:52AM
Looks like a sure beta 58 to me.
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:53AM
What are two singers I could die a happy death never seeing perform again?

skip1
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 03:58AM
poor you chimino...
respect your elders...

keepin it real? hahahahaha
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 04:14AM
rascaliwolf,
check out this URL for some shure microphones - nice eh?

[www.guitarsam.com]
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 04:59AM
Good one roots-ee, decent prices! I can always use an extra SM57 or two in the arsenal. Just a great mic for recording. And the Beta58 is the best for live vox cuz when it gets trashed or stolen you're not too broken up about it. Thanks.
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 04:42PM
toots would blow up every monitor in the show if he put the mic 1 inch from his pie hole. he's got serious lung power.

trivia: (TorF) Toots publicized the name "Reggae".
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 04:53PM
You mean the first song to use the word? Yep, that's him...


jb welda
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 05:01PM
i suspect toots uses the distance to modulate his voice and for vocal effect. the guy is a pro and its laughable that someone here would try to give him vocal lessons. and his band isnt good? man thats funny...this is all pro stuff here. im very surprised as well that he didnt have his engineer/soundman with him. this guy opens for the rolling stones man, he aint no back woods amateur.

you do know he did an album of american r&b styled material right? maybe the "americanized guitar" was for some of that. toots does a show of various musical styles and i dont think you can fault him for variety. hes not my favorite all the time but everytime ive seen him he puts in a very high quality performance.

and hes an originator, at least give him credit for that.

one love
jah bill
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 05:06PM
Toots a de god-fadda!
I have this LP which I used to listen to day & night in the early 70s before I heard of Bob Marley:

It's got all the great musicians he used to use (Jackie Jackson, Winston Grennan, Hux Brown, Gladdy Anderson etc.) playing their collective @$$ off in rocksteady/reggae stylee. It's got more of a gospel than a rasta feel, and Toots, Raleigh & Jerry just straight up RAVE.

Rascal I Wolf: I use a Beta 58 too, it's a bit hotter than the standard 58 (to boost my slight alto vocals on harmony) but just as bulletproof; if there are any nailheads sticking up from the stage, you could probably use it to hammer 'em back in & go on singing. They do go for 150 bucks or more, so they're not all that disposable, but they're a great value for the clarity & level of sound one gets.
miguel
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 07:49PM
i dig the beta 58. i use a beta 57 for mic'ing my sax....pics up the low end pretty nice and its got a warmer sound
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 09:31PM
Young Bill, did you happen to notice that I did not say that Toots was a bad singer or a bad vocalist, I said he had terrible mic technique. A great singer can be severely let down by bad mic technique and likewise, an average singer can sound good if he has good mic technique. As to whether Toots' band was good or not is a matter of taste - I thought they were sh*te. Burning Spear is a fine example of an artist who truly cuts it live, however, all his studio albums since Farover have been decidedly average.
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 09:45PM
i seen toots at a small renegade show at morning star several years ago. he was the closing act on sunday nite. he gave the soundman a severe workout with his mic technique, thats for sure. renegade did not have a system to support that.

i hear. i think its amazing he can wail it out with the mic down at his beltbuckle.
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 10:07PM
Yes you did:
<<Toots was awful.>>
Since he's up there as a singer, you basically told me he was 'awful' as one. I can assure you it isn't so. People such as Ben Harper, Willie Nelson and Bonny Raitt also disagree with you.
But hey, you're the vocal expert...
Boiio
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 10:15PM
Toots wasn't anything special last summer at SN...However when I saw him at Reggae in the Park in '04 he was awesome..Good stage presence, good band (not americanized), just an overall good performance...I'm sure all artists have good days and bad days, so I wouldn't go judging Toots based on one show
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 10:41PM
actually toots is holding the mike only about 10 inches away,
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 10:59PM
Yes you did:
<<Toots was awful.>>
Since he's up there as a singer, you basically told me he was 'awful' as one. I can assure you it isn't so. People such as Ben Harper, Willie Nelson and Bonny Raitt also disagree with you.
But hey, you're the vocal expert...

Oh for f*ck sake! If I somehow implied that I thought Toots was a crap singer then I take it back - I think he's a great singer. He has terrible mic technique. The end.

PS Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
Spliff Smoker
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 11:08PM
Damn, you guys sure like to close the door on an opinion. I notice no one asked how Toots sounded. Perhaps, Builder, if you could have said how he sounded, teh whole mic thing could be put in a better perspective and the pitchforks would have been slower to come out. You guys must really love your Toots. Everyone ripped on Sean Paul for his Carls Jr. ad, but no one says anything 'bout Toots giving his tunes to commercialism. I see people say they didn't like many shows, but no one attacked them (sometimes they do; I guess it depends on who it was).
Ras the Builder
Re: Burning Spear and Toots
February 28, 2006 11:16PM
Ah, the voice of reason - thank you Mr Smoker.
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