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Ross
American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:06PM
I don't understand why people in America feel it nescesary to speak and write like they're from the carribean..... I know that this topic has been done up on here plenty. But really, why do you want to model the way you speak after people that haven't been privilaged with an adequate education.
I'm not talking about people that say 'nuff' like "I have nuff records"
I'm talking about people that say "mi 'ave nuff records fi true"

are you surrounded by people that talk like that or have you been to the carribean so much that that way of speaking is engrained in you, or do you just think it sounds cool to talk like that???



feel free to just ----sigh---- at this

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:12PM
"But really, why do you want to model the way you speak after people that haven't been privilaged with an adequate education. "

I think it is you who needs an education.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:17PM
I'm with ya there. I laugh at the people here who bash on an artist because he eats at Burger King, but sings rasta, while they type it in patios, but don't speak that way.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:29PM
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mi fi...
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Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:30PM
Danny, I pity you.....wish you could've been blessed with a proper education.....lmao.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:49PM
If you write in patios, make sure you do it while the concrete is still wet.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 01:52PM
I was waiting LOL, I speak in Deck
a
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 02:39PM
all oonu yankee jafaicans deh bout yah .. shut up unno bcl*t mout dem!!!!!!!!!!!!


; )



Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 03:15PM
For my money, Klispch makes the best American patio speakers. They are crafted in Little Rock, Arkansas, home of Big Willy and the Lickin' Stick.

Peace.

Ross
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 03:19PM
I'm sure that all or most carribeans are capable of speaking with the 'queen's english' that they learned in school, if they were "privilaged" enough to go to school..... it's not free public education in some parts of the Carribean like it is in the states where we are fortunate enough to be mandated with the indoctrination of American schooling.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 03:37PM
>free education in the states. man thats a good 1 mon. your joking rite?
> the public school system is being run more & more like prisons & prisons r' being run by lobbyest & investers. what do u get when u put dem together?
answer: military bound(crew cutts), keep washing dem brains u bloodclot*
>REBELS STAND GUARD!



-RASpects+
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 03:45PM
[www.lse.co.uk]

its a worldwide trend...
but it would be funny to see some of these "keyboard patios" typists..go to a Carib. country and try to speak that way.

riffy
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 03:48PM
Communication & Language is inivershal. If ya notice.
Spleece
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 04:11PM

It's not just Americans, it's worldwide. The Japanese Mighty Crown chat 'nuff patoi, and it sounds really good. Hell, look at guys like Gentleman, German, educated, and 'im chat patoi.

I don't use patoi on the radio 'cuz I'm sitting in a room irie and just chill, but in the club in the mix, I often slip into it. I have to say tho in the past few years, I often THINK in it, and dream sometimes too, just as I would think and dream in Mandarin when I lived in China. I think being exposed to it does rub off on you. I hate when people try to FORCE it tho...

-s
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 04:16PM
Ital Vibes,
Sounds just like a new fad for a bunch of bloody chavs!
pale ryder
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 04:25PM
Ummmm, who forces it? Matis someone?
BG
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 05:25PM
A WAHHH DI RASSSSSS! look YAH nuh, full time man chattin bout this an' tha..but UP TO NOW dem nevah kno' sey wha dem a chat bout, ZEEN?? ha ha ha.....irie, me put it to ALLLL AH unu like so..................when man & man wanfi chat how dem wanfi chat, a fi dem owna CHICE my lawd....no man cyaaaaaaan sey nudding bout how a breddrin might want tuh chat innuh, steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuups. MORE TIME MI HAFFI RATE DI AMERICAN SLANG CHATTERS DEM, YUHZIMI???? CHO.
bong bingedy-bong bong!

RIBBBBIT!
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 07:06PM
>> "Communication & Language is inivershal. If ya notice."

Thank you Riffy - well put.

All of you damn whiners that keep bitching about people who SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be able to express thoughts with a patwa slant - shut the f**k up and move to France, where the other language purists live. Language grows. Language evolves. Language incorporates aspects from introduced cultures. If that bothers you - too damn bad. You are in the minority and your mind is far too closed...
BG
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 07:12PM
Ten languages die out each year. International action is needed to counter this erosion of cultural diversity

Are the vast majority of languages doomed to die out in the near future? Specialists reckon that no language can survive unless 100,000 people speak it. Half of the 6,000 or so languages in the world today are spoken by fewer than 10,000 people and a quarter by less than 1,000. Only a score are spoken by hundreds of millions of people.
The death of languages is not a new phenomenon. Since languages diversified, at least 30,000 (some say as many as half a million) of them have been born and disappeared, often without leaving any trace. Languages usually have a relatively short life span as well as a very high death rate. Only a few, including Basque, Egyptian, Chinese, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Persian, Sanskrit and Tamil, have lasted more than 2,000 years.

"International action is needed to counter this erosion of cultural diversity"

^^get to chattin your pigeon, patois or jafaican to help ensure the survival of the language plz.
BG
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 07:16PM
.........................What is new, however, is the speed at which they are dying out. Europe’s colonial conquests caused a sharp decline in linguistic diversity, eliminating at least 15 per cent of all languages spoken at the time. Over the last 300 years, Europe has lost a dozen, and Australia has only 20 left of the 250 spoken at the end of the 18th century. In Brazil, about 540 (three-quarters of the total) have died out since Portuguese colonization began in 1530.
The rise of nation-states, whose territorial unity was closely linked to their linguistic homogeneity, has also been decisive in selecting and consolidating national languages and sidelining others. By making great efforts to establish an official language in education, the media and the civil service, national governments have deliberately tried to eliminate minority languages.
This process of linguistic standardization has been boosted by industrialization and scientific progress, which have imposed new methods of communication that are swift, straightforward and practical. Language diversity came to be seen as an obstacle to trade and the spread of knowledge. Monolingualism became an ideal, and at the end of the 19th century the notion of a universal language was born–a return to Latin was even considered–which gave rise to a spate of artificial languages, the first of which was Volapük. The one that gained the widest acceptance and has survived longest is Esperanto.
More recently, the internationalization of financial markets, the dissemination of information by electronic media and other aspects of globalization have intensified the threat to “small” languages. A language not on the Internet is a language that “no longer exists” in the modern world. It is out of the game. It is not used in business.
The rate of language extinction has now reached the unprecedented worldwide level of 10 every year. Some people predict that 50 to 90 per cent of today’s spoken languages will disappear during this century. Their preservation is an urgent matter.
The effects of the death of languages are serious for several reasons. First of all, it is possible that if we all ended up speaking the same language, our brains would lose some of their natural capacity for linguistic inventiveness. We would never be able to plumb the origins of human language or resolve the mystery of “the first language”. As each language dies, a chapter of human history closes.
Multilingualism is the most accurate reflection of multiculturalism. The destruction of the first will inevitably lead to the loss of the second. Imposing a language without any links to a people’s culture and way of life stifles the expression of their collective genius. A language is not only the main instrument of human communication. It also expresses the world vision of those who speak it, their imagination and their ways of using knowledge.

Dying whispers of traditional cultures
To grasp how differently each tongue reflects the world, one only needs to list the words that crop up in every language with exactly the same meaning, words like I, you, us, who, what, no, all, one, two, big, long, small, woman, man, eat, see, hear, sun, moon, star, water, fire, hot, cold, white, black, night, land. There are about 300 at the most.
The threat to multilingualism is similar to the threat to biodiversity. Not just because most languages are like disappearing “species”, but because there is an intrinsic and causal link between biological diversity and cultural diversity. Like plant and animal species, endangered languages are confined to small areas. More than 80 per cent of countries that have great biological diversity are also places with the greatest number of endemic languages. This is because when people adapt to their environment, they create a special stock of knowledge about it which is mirrored in their language and often only there. Many of the world’s endangered plant and animal species today are known only to certain peoples whose languages are dying out. As they die, they take with them all the traditional knowledge about the environment.
The 1992 Rio Earth Summit set up machinery to combat shrinking biodiversity. Now it is time for a Rio summit to tackle languages. The need to protect languages began to be appreciated in the middle of the 20th century, when language rights were included in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (article 2). Since then, a number of instruments have been adopted, and projects have been launched (see pages 30-31) to safeguard what is now considered a heritage of humanity. These laws and initiatives may not prevent languages from dying out, but at least they will slow down the process and encourage multilingualism.
BG
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 07:24PM
*********The definition of a healthy language is one that acquires new speakers. No matter how many adults use the language, if it isn't passed to the next generation, its fate is already sealed. Although a language may continue to exist for a long time as a second or ceremonial language, it is moribund as soon as children stop learning it. For example, out of twenty native Alaskan languages, only two are still being learned by children.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 08:00PM
For the same reason white kids from the suburbs that listen to Hip Hop try to speak inner city slang...They love the music and try to identify with the artist...
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 08:52PM
Can we not look at Americans speaking patois as just another language rather than someone faking it? I have studied patois through reading, writing and music for well over 10 years now and feel comfortable speaking it a certain times. Is it any different than an American learning Spanish? French? German? To speak these languages one must adopt the accent, along with the words. Just because reggae and rasta culture has brought this dialect to the attention of American society doesn't mean those who aren't from the Carribean and speak patois are faking it. Are people from Salt Lake City who speak any of the aforementioned languages "faking it"? Let us look at it as being bilingual, trilingual, etc.
mek we chat....
FarIBless
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 08:58PM
Ross, again you are an uneducated p*ssyhole. Quit while you are only partially behind.

PS, there are no such people named "Caribbeans"

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 12, 2006 09:06PM
nuff language,lingo and accent round the usa with differnt cultures in this country. who cares if some one talks or types in certain lingo- this is a reggae forum-riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight* just like living in a different place or country- listining to reggae music all the time- you will pick up on the accent or lingo after a while.
go on peeps- talk and type the way you want- patios mixed with alittle chicano twist over here- seen homes* we gwan mash up di board wit patois loco*
one love-juan love
mashdown45
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 02:06AM
imagine how it is in greece.. a bunch of people who eat/drink/do whatever is not ital
(ive been to 2 reggae festivals here & cant find anything at the stands without meat in it (!!))
they also have a messageboard where only greeks converse... & they speak in PATOIS which consists of only things theyve heard in tunes..
i dont think theyd be able to say anything else! it gets annoying! its so not necessary - 99% of the time theyre greeks speaking to greeks
if they listened to algerian music would they speak arabic on messageboards, say praises to allah - allah ou akbar etc?? wear turbans ?

and something else.. it seems they don't know much about reggae.. neither search for it or are eager to learn much about it..

follw fashion monkeys.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 02:08AM
Thank you BG for your posts above to get at the heart.
You hit a nail smack on de head.
My work involves, in part, protecting endangered species from man's ravages (and species a losing and so are we).
What about endangered cultures as you described?
Just like our mono-cropping of food, we are monoculturing the planet.
Junk culture is U$A biggest export. Do we even have any others at this point?
Hawaiians have taken back their language from Missionary zeal to extinguish not only this language but the people.
The language may in fact be saved but we are losing the people. It is said that in about ten years there will be less than a few thousand pure Hawaiians and in twenty-some years they will be gone from this planet forever...
Is that a loss for this planet?
Big time for losing a beautiful people, a beautiful culture...
I am nothing but a tourist on this land struggling to create a little commune-unity among our brethen and sistren. Why I'm hooked on SNWMF. A place to recharge the batteries for another year's struggle in Babylon...
Respect

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 07:53AM
"If you write in patios, make sure you do it while the concrete is still wet."

Ha! I'm ashamed to say what I do for a living now.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 08:22AM
Why should you be ashamed SS? I'm sure you don't make phony patios.
BG
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 08:26AM
"SNWMF~ A place to recharge the batteries for another year's struggle in Babylon.."

YES YES I SAY YES
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 08:54AM
Let me tell a short story...

In hmboldt county, I run across a lot of kids faking a patois accent. One day I was at a buddies house while his roomate was getting ready for a date. The dude shows up while shes still getting dressed, so he hangs out with us for a few. He's a white kid with a goatee and dreadlocks, doing the southern humboldt thing. He starts talking in this extra phony patois accent, and me and my friend cant even understand him. We have to ask him to repeat himself every other sentance. Later, talking to the roomate, she said the date was ruined because she couldnt understand what the f**k he was saying. Another day I was there when he called her, and she just started telling him to drop the accent. He did. I guess his desire to progress with her was greater than his desire to sound cool.

Talk about fake!

I'm not passing judgement on all you patois typers, because I dont know you. But in my experience with phony patois speakers, they just think they're way too cool for the language everyone around them speaks.

I think the difference between speaking patois and speaking another language is that speaking another language is an effective tool for communication with people who dont speak english. I have relatives who dont speak english, so I speak their language with them. However, for the most part, a jamaican and a californian can get along just fine without either having to attempt to reproduce the others accent.

And I wouldn't worry about the patois dialect going extinct. Their are tens of millions of caribean patois speakers.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 09:32AM
I do feel there is a difference between patois and Iyric. One doesn't need to fake a Jamaican accent in order to speak uplifting Rasta Iyric.

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Ross
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 09:46AM
I'm glad people have added their input on this topic. I didn't consider a few things before making some posts in this. 1. Mighty Crown, and other sounds that are immersed with dancehall wouldn't sound nearly as good if they spoke with their native dialects. 2. American schools are starting to become privitized. 3. And that Chimino may have been having a bad day and would be nit-picking someone saying "Carribbeans" as a blanket reference to people living in the Carribbean. Keep in mind Chimino, that calling people p*ssyhole makes you seem more uneducated than you think I am.

I made an unecsesary pre-judgement on some of the people that post on here and write in patois. gwann do your ting beca mi nah feel nuh way

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 09:58AM
I love Slang words! Ebonics, patois, boston accents, new york, even northern and southern ca differ in their words! Most of us speak in ways that reveal where we come from where we have been or what we are in to! Anyone who speaks from a geninue place no matter how they say it can be"heard". "Overstand" this! We need to bring healing to our universal commUNITY, We need to do this from a place of love and tolerance for the many paths and planes we all exsist in! Judge not ! Let us all come together and find our path of CO-EXSISTANCE ! Create a new paradigm of interconnectedness ...
Much Love & Respect to all

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 10:06AM
don't forget colorado mountain slang...
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 10:18AM
not to metniton GONEman slang which is like a broken patois like adrunk jamaican with a broken jaw. Which originated at the base of Mt Hood up the Salmon River.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:22AM
"I'm sure that all or most carribeans are capable of speaking with the 'queen's english"


bro, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

certian places in rural JA people do not speak "queens english."
And its not because they dont want to or forget they just dont.
Spleece
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:23AM

>even northern and southern ca differ in their words

And so does CENTRAL Cali, where we have our own dialect down here in the SJV!

-s
HIGHPRAISE
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:31AM
Word !
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:41AM
I teach a language many of us know Stamina.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:51AM
I wasn't having a bad day, but people utilising their ignorance to style up others as ignorant does get a rise outta me.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 06:18PM
the english langauge is a downpresive language if the i checks it closely. so to speak in Iyarics is to uplift i an i . overstand. the subconcious (?) racism i man read in this board is shoking and very uneducated to say peoples from the caribian are uneducated, education comes in other forms than bobylon education . man will be who he is blessed love
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 10:53PM
are you surrounded by people that talk like that?

Yes

or have you been to the carribean so much that that way of speaking is engrained in you?

No

or do you just think it sounds cool to talk like that???

Obviously.
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Having lived in the Caribbean I couldn't believe how inaccurate and pretentious the California patois sounded when I first moved to Mendocino County, the folks here can no more speak Caribbean patois than they could climb a coconut tree. I think it sounds funny to people in the UK because they interact on a daily basis with West Indian people, while here in California patois doesn't come so much from being around people from the Caribbean as from listening to records. Over the years I've come to find this fake patois stuff more tolerable, it seems less like a cultural rip-off to me and more like a tribal thing. Tribes adapt dialects to identify each other and this fake patois goes along with the hair and clothing styles as part of this reggae-as-lifestyle phenomenon that will no doubt be described in somebody's PhD thesis somewhere. And of course patois is all over the world now, I've met people in Brazil whose English is confined to a few patois phrases.

Of course West Indian people may have a different view. People on the island where I lived did not call it patois, they called it "short hand talk", and some told me quite explicitly that it was the language that was used when they didn't want white people to understand them. This was driven home to me when I visited the French Islands and found that black people there still talked in English patois when they didn't want French tourists to pick up on what they were saying.

At other times West Indians would pretend that it didn't exist. When I first moved to the Caribbean and was around patois I found it bewildering, particularly when people would speed it up and drop out all the final consonants of a word. So I went to the local library. I didn't know quite how to phrase my question to the starchy librarian but I asked if she had a book about the English as it was spoken on the island. She brought me an English grammar book.
riffy
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 13, 2006 11:06PM
coo ya, mi no come yah fi hear bout how horse dead and cow fat

chekkit
Spuddywack O Hara
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 05:08AM
Bet yiz cant speak in Irish ?
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 05:46AM
as always be respectful
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 08:38AM
I don't understand why so many here seem to be homogenizing caribbean dialects into a single patois or language. each island has its own dialect, some very different than others though they may both be "english". jamaican patois syntax, phonology, structure, etc. are nothing like bajan or guyanese, for example. french patois is also very different from french, is usually not understood by french speakers nearly as well as patois speakers can understand french.
as to why amreicans who have no ties to jamaica attempt to speak jamaican patois, probably for various reasons.
Ross
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 11:31AM
let this thread be an example to everyone,
if you are unknown to people on the phorum, then your sarcasm doesn't come through very well at all.

Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 11:39AM
"I say, I possess a copious quantity of audio recordings, my good man"
or...
"record me 'av like rice"
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 12:25PM
ross, if you're refering to me I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I was just rying to make a point, not necessarily to you.
and by the way, speaking patois or creole rather than standard english or french has absolutely nothing to do with (formal) education or lack there of.
Ross
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 01:28PM
baykay, I wasn't refering to you. I was being somewhat sarcastic in my first two posts on this thread, saying that "in America we're privilaged to be indoctrinated with our education" and that people of the carribean are undereducated. I don't really think that Do people really think I'd spend time on a reggae site if I didn't think that people that make reggae were intelligent????
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 01:50PM
LOL... what the fakk kinda subject is this?? LOL u readin this BG>. wtf LOL... anyway.. Keep it Rizzle... winking smiley LOL
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 02:10PM
I'm curious as what any west indians (if there are any that post here) think when they hear foreigners attempting to speak a patois or creole. personally, when a west indian "yanks" at me I'm offended.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 02:24PM
well im glad you asked =).... people just look like retards, any of you patois speakin hippys take a trip down yard and try to hold converstaion down half way tree.. i bet you couldnt even hold conversation with a 9 year old there... but preach on... Rasta seh so!
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 02:39PM
that's what I thought
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 03:42PM
Lets see...I was born in California...I speak Patios to my brother-in-law who was born and raised in Jamaica. Hmmm...we communicate. And that is all that truly matters.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 07:29PM
funny thing is its just yard talk and it all changes from yard to yard zeen??? just like in america is just slang and most time if ya nah from a yard then even if yer from other yard u dont know what is said less u kick it in yard ya overstand? good.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 14, 2006 07:32PM
proper english iz best... causes less confusion, and that is what matters, to every hippy who hold modest speech down to fashion thing it is equivalent to yall start talkin like some hillbillys from tennessee beca u think that is just swell ya hear?... you are what you is and that's all it is... zappa said it best...not a bad suggestion eh?
a
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 05:51AM
i speak some jamaican patois on occaision. i guess my beef is people that do it so poorly it makes you cringe. gentleman sounds fine to me snow doesnt. last week at burning spear this lil trustafarian w/ unwashed (aka stank ass) hair not only was attempting and murdering some patois, but had this whole lilting singsongy affect to her voice that was grating. if yer gonna come with it come correct. some of my ja pals when they go home after being here in foreign too long cant even pene the hardcore patois for awhile. a
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 10:05AM
Just curious, I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I hope some one can answer this. When a Jamaican (from Jamaica) who speaks only patois heres someone speaking perfect "queens english" or american english, is it hard for them to understand?

Also, if you are a person who tries your best to speak in Jamaican patois, do you do so when speaking face to face with a Jamaican who speaks only patois?

bg your a funny mother effer'....lol
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 11:15AM
I'm not a west indian, so I can't answer your question, jp, with certainty. but I will go on my experience...
if someone tries to speak patois because they think a true patois speaker won't understand their standard english, I think they are sadly mistaken and ignorant (not ignorant in the sense it is often used in the west indies). they're much more likely to have a harder time communcating while butchering patois than if they just spoke in their normal tongue.
I believe all patois and creoles are distinct languages in their own right--indeed, languages that can be learned, but ones that should not be ignorantly imitated. people like gentleman probably do have a firm grasp on proper use of patois, and that's probably because he studied it or spent enough time in jamaica to learn it properly. if you're not certain if your patois is accurate and appropriate, it's not.
just be yourself--you'll get more respect anyways.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 11:58AM
Oh fer crying out loud. I will interject an occasional "cheers!" or "piss off you bloody wanker" (ala John Cleese) - or a "top o the morning to ye lass" - or a "buenos tardes mi amigo - que tal?" - both when typing or when talking. I may occasionally toss in a "cyaan wait fi tru" as well.

Why? - because that is me. I pull from the influences around me, just like everyone else. If you identify with someting, for WHATEVER reason - you will pull from it a bit harder. People who get offended are idiots. They are the people who belonged to a certain "click" back in high school and who believe "their" self proclaimed culture should be exclusive, and they despise those who just can't seem to quite get it right.

Rastas promote overstanding - but at the same time get angry when people speak an americanized patwa? - or wear ites gold an green? How does that fit on the road to iniversal overstanding? Smacks of hypocrisy to me...

What is even worse are the ones who DO NOT speak patwa from true experience, and yet feel they can criticize others for trying to do the same (apparently worse than the one criticising). They are expressing exclusivity for a group they are excluded from (by their own reasoning). Talk about a hypocrite!

We are one race - one culture. The sooner people stop caring about this meaningless bs - the sooner we can work on some real problems. If you don't overstand what someone is saying - ask them to speak clearly so that you can. I am willing to bet that they will comply... if not give them a "Piss off ye bumbaclaat chingaso!"
baykay
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 12:24PM
dubguy, I get you're point. I'm not saying not to interject the casual term of reference, idiom, greeting, etc., etc. I'll do the same thing myself as will most. I was more referring to other posts referring to impostors trying to speak exclusively in a language they don't know how to speak.
true, we are one race, but we've lost our one culture--something I believe we need to regain for survival of ourselves and this earth--and civilization is a large reason why.
I'm not a rasta and I guess I've never asked how one feels when people speak an americanized (non)patois, which seems like it would more acurately be described as a pidgin. I do think fashioning ites, gold and green as a baldhead is just that--a fashion statement
what about west indians from a generation or 2 ago who were beaten for speaking patois in a colonial attempt to wipe out said language. can you really criticize those for not speaking in the vernacular, even though most still do?
I don't try to speak jamaican patois because I mostly just know it from listening to records--most of which aren't in the base vernacular dialect anyways--and would sound like an idiot if I tried to hold a real conversation in patois.
of course, if you're having trouble comminucating with someone both parties shoud speak as clearly and simply as possible. but if they're a jerk I guess you could tell them "in all you mudda-asssss, boy!"
if you learn a language by all means speak it. someone once said, "if you only know one language, you don't really know any language at all."
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 12:26PM
express yuself...always with respescx and ting.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 15, 2006 01:41PM
Language is communication. Can't have understanding, overstanding or ANY kind of standing without it. Most Jamaicans, from years of exposure to radio, TV and schooling, can decipher American or British English just fine, thanks.
Re: American Patois Speakers
April 16, 2006 11:21PM
Americans sound like there from ireland or something when they emulate....to jamaicans ears & ours...imagine a european talking like a new yorker in california in hopes to more in sync with the local thing or "ting" if u will...misplaced but probably good hearted..... feel me!
Fake patois on stage in inspired lyric........please, let it go people. Share yourself with pride! That is inspiring! BLESSID SELASSIE!!!

Lets remember this...When u can walk into a room, dancehall, or where ever and speak a few catch phrases that U &, your posse, family, area code even, are the only folks "in the know"... worship of african arishas hidden inside christianity for the survival of that culture & riddim was the same thing...Slang is the form in which the roots peoples culture is preserved & hidden from bobby's destruction. Traditions new & old changing and modifying in the face of bobbylon...do they know it?...when they do... "fo sho" & "hyphy" should keep dem(if u will) guessing long enough for the next movement.

big up all verbal acrobats creating the language of the future... our cultural survival is there with them...

BLESSID

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Re: American Patois Speakers
April 17, 2006 02:36AM
I'm with ya dubguy cause I do that too. I just think it's rediculous when some people try to speak patois like it is their natural way of speaking, It just sounds fake not to mention dumb IMHO. I say things like "irie" and "ya mon" when I'm chillin with my boys, but They would laugh at me and call me a "wanna be" if I tried to speak patois like it is my own language all the time.

A lot of people need to remember that just because they listen to and have much knowledge of reggae, It doesnt make you an expert on Jamaican culture. I got tons of friends that listen to reggae, play in reggae bands, and wear dreads. But whenever I speak with these people, they sound like themselves.Using their own natural language and accent.

"Piss off ye bumbaclaat chingaso!" LOL
Thats the funniest line I 've "heard" in a while, should of added a "Dude" after "chingaso" though.
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