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Posted by irationvibe 
More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:21PM
Bottom line is the message from lots of VI artists should be heard by African Americans yet most of the audiences they have been performing for,especially on the west coast are not. Believe me I hear it from the artists themselves. They like the fact that the crowds are big but they'd like to see more Blacks.



Ras Charles Jones
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:35PM
Good luck in your quest..
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:38PM

interesting post, mr. irationvibe. i've heard a lot about those preferences you mention.

too bad, too, because lots of the hippies (yes, mostly white ones.. sorry) here are dying to dwell in inity with them in one love. many have even thrown their combs away to show how much dwelling is being done.

unfortunately for the VI artists you mention, it's mostly only white suburban-ish kids who are dumb enough to listen to them.

i guess the "artists" can't have their cake and eat it too. or should i say, sing about reaching for racial equality and then... well, never mind.

i only waste about 45 seconds a month on this stuff, and i've just hit that.


thanks!

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Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:47PM
excerpt from a interview at Sierra Nevada by Peter Morgan.

"We give thanks to dancehall music because it has helped expose Reggae music to Black Americans. We've known for a long time, even in Bob Marley's day, Black Americans didn't really accept Reggae music because they looked at Jamaicans in a derogatory way. We get a lot of fight from Black Americans. The White Americans always seem to love Roots and Culture. If it weren't for the white audience, Roots and Culture would probably be dead today, so we give thanks to them. We give thanks to those [dancehall] artists and those that promote that music, but we will promote Roots and Culture-Rastafari music-and keep this segment of the music alive 'cause if we don't do it, it will die. Selassie I."

I remember Bob talking about this too, I don't think it's racial for V.I. to say these things, I just think it saddens them that most black people aren't into reggae music.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:50PM
There's always a knee-jerk reaction from caucasian people when black people bring up black issues. Why?!? If you would look past your own insecurities, or actually listen to the lyrics of maybe 80% of reggae music, you would see that they deal with black issues. I say this time and again because it bites my ass when my fellow caucasian brothers and sisters JUST DON'T GET IT, and then accuse (subtly) blacks of being racist. It's subconscious racism, straight and simple, and it's also paternalistic. Reggae artists feel their music needs to be heard by their black brothers and sisters...does that make you feel left out or something? Don't you think that after 400+ years of slavery and ONLY 40 YEARS OF ACTUAL FREEDOM IN THE U.S., that there are many issues and concerns amongst black people that need to be addressed by black people?

Sorry for the rant, I just get sick of caucasian reggae listeners and even caucasian Rastas, getting angry when black issues are brought up or discussed.

Peace

Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 08:58PM
what a surprise. more midnite/vi envy from mr solid.

i'm not a huge midnite (ras mek peace and unpolished being exceptions) or VI fan but you sure seem to bitch alot about them. you have every right to think they suck or that the people who are listening to them are dumb. it just seems like every thread about midnite contains one of your posts about how they suck..........


"unfortunately for the VI artists you mention, it's mostly only white suburban-ish kids who are dumb enough to listen to them."
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 09:01PM

> actually listen to the lyrics of maybe 80% of reggae music,
> you would see that they deal with black issues


gosh, J_72, i never noticed or thought of that. you've really straightened me out on this. thanks!


let me ask you now... isn't THIS paternalistic?

>> the message from lots of VI artists should be heard by African Americans


pretty much none of my business, i'm not VI "artist" or African American. but sounds like what you described.

clearly i don't get any of this..

... so i'm out!

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Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 09:04PM
Well, from what i have witnessed in northern california, with the exception of 'So Nice', the people who come out for those VI Artists are virtually the same people who come out for Jamaican roots artists. Yes, they are predominantly white, but I would hardly call them 'suburban-ish kids'. More like a combination of urban dwellers and 'hillsmen'.....
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 09:25PM
the middle school i teach at is about 75% african american and these kids def don't have the "black is beautiful" afro-centric interest that mayhe the 60's and 70's kids had, they outwardly use black as an insult to each other.. "look at his dark ashy self"
they taunt darker students, a student with a dad from ghana is called kunta kente etc... and the limited black history , programming etc we get exposed to, is met with disregard for the most part. its all about the BET, the bling, the video games. this is not 100% but its pervasive. If i play a roots song in class they say "get that crusty old music off, no one wanna hear that!" also there is not much opportunity for exposure except for a sean paul type video or radio song or elephant man video that is about it. in highschool whne i taught there, the refugee african liked reggae, the puertoricans and cubans liked pre-reggaeton but again it was the hippy kids or the ska punks that took a chance on reggae, and those are the kids, grown up we saw at culture the other day. i dont know the soulution, Jah Jah send us another Mosiah, a
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 10:01PM
Yea . What Norcaljahman said ....
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 10:07PM
Most likely location . On tha islands and tha East Coast there is probably a better turnout of afro- americans . no ?
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 10:08PM
Unfortunately, it doesnt look like there will be more Blacks in the audience for reggae music, probably less as time goes on and as restrictions on the immigration of Caribbean people tighten. African-Americans are mostly into Hip-Hop and even in Jamaica these days it seems to be more and more Hip-Hop Im hearing as each year passes, which is a disturbing trend for me.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 10:56PM
It really is a interesting cultural study! Over the last 50 or so years we have seen a great change in white american culture in that through social change and education we have begun to expose the misconceptions of race and privilge. As always being in a postion of affluence(realitive to other races in this country) I believe that to some degree white americans love of reggae music is spawned by a rejection to the concepts and attitudes that have ruled white majority thought for the history of this country. Blacks on the other hand coming from a position of oppression for so many generations have never known a life of affluence. The popularity of Hip-Hop is a huge draw for black americans because they idolize the lifestyle that is portrayed there.. as Ras Adam stated above "its all about the BET, the bling, the video games. this is not 100% but its pervasive."
Although this is just one limited vantage point I do find truth in this reasoning. Please post your thoughts.
ForwardZion
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 10:58PM
Rythmwize said "even in Jamaica these days it seems to be more and more Hip-Hop Im hearing as each year passes, which is a disturbing trend for me."

Why do you find the growing popularity of hip-hop to be disturbing? Is it because the lyrics? I'm just curios.

Personally I've always liked hip-hop and rap beats, I've always felt like it's more of an expression of how todays youth feel about how society and the world is treating them. What turns me off about the same music is that so much of it glorifys nonesense.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:06PM
Forwardzion said "The popularity of Hip-Hop is a huge draw for black americans because they idolize the lifestyle that is portrayed there.."

You deffinately see alot of kids today wearing fake diamond ear rings and big gold chains, but Hip-Hop wasn't always all about bling. It was a popular music before all the bling took over the scene.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:10PM
Why do you find the growing popularity of hip-hop to be disturbing? Is it because the lyrics? I'm just curios.

Its disturbing because for me, I like the Caribbean vibe and I hate to see that get displaced in Caribbean Islands by the USA Ghetto Hip-Hop culture and vibe. In others words, they are losing their culture in an effort to emulate Black America culture and style. I can get enuff of that right here in good ole USA.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:19PM
why isn't anyone calling j72 on his rant? what the fawk is he talking about ??
no one is saying blacks are racist, unless it is j72 hisself. and nothing that has been posted would point to "caucasians" being racist, unless it is j72 hisself. he seems to be the only one getting angry, as he puts it, when black issues are discussed. fact is j72, every reggae show i have ever went to was mostly white. does that make whites racist? or blacks racist? i just don't get what the point of your diatribe is.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:21PM
Calireggae,
I with you on that one man, it used to be more about the struggle.
It has changed so much over the years, from drinking 8-ball to Cristal.
Man I remember back in the day listening to Boogie Down Productions, that was some true Hip-Hop.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:32PM
I still remember heavy rotation of the song "Loves gonna get ya" on the radio, I loved that BDP song.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:43PM
I also think the ghetto rap vibes are garbage. If you relate to them, that's fine, but too many suburban kids (white and black) are idealizing the gangsta/hard drug trip that comes with the terratory with rap. I love rap, don't get me wrong, but i'm not a fan of the culture that surrounds it.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:48PM
HighPraise, I agree with you and norcalJahman. And Nick, it seems our selection has at least one similarity.



DUB IS TOO DREAD FOR WORDS.... binghi2digi
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:49PM
...of course, the VI crew seems to have a bit of a phobia of SINGLES! Which doesn't help.



DUB IS TOO DREAD FOR WORDS.... binghi2digi
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:52PM
That's half the problem with their exposure and how it's recieved. Who's buying cd's and downloading tunes?...... Not the selectors.



DUB IS TOO DREAD FOR WORDS.... binghi2digi
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 11, 2006 11:58PM
So, I know some people that are ACTIVELY doing something to move forward with this issue... NW World Reggae Fest (oregon) is inviting people from all walks of life to enjoy and experience the new the old and the unheardof . Forwardzion says "I remember back in the day listening to Boogie Down Productions, that was some TRUE Hip-hop." well I am glad to say the old days have returned. KRS- ONE is gonna be in the house!!! he will be playing alongside self proclaimed "Jamaican Hip-hop - dancehall" artist ANTHONY B prior these two will be the conscious vibez of Mikey General and Queen Omega. also most important to the person that started this here thread, V.I. Artists from the I grade Showcase NiyoRah, Army and Abja along with band mates Tippy and the one and only Tuff LION. Sooooo, I belive withthis festival being so close to the Portland Metro area and having other local and regional Hip-hop acts (like, Luminous Fog, Wisdom, Scott free, Madgesdiq, Mc Mystic and of course Big B the Sasquatch!) that there WILL be more than the usual percentage of African American youths AND elders to witness and get turned on to this good vibez music that they have been sheltered from... Not to mention cross over artists like BARRINGTON LEVY,( with enough top 40 and rap guest appearances to be WELL recognized) and Junior Reid (of course formly with BLACK UHURU) that the VI artists , along with the Jamaican and world reggae artists will be playing for more than tjus the average white boy or girl. ( I would have to agree with Daniel that here in the north west it is not "suburban-ish white kids" but poor mountain folk and farmmers brought up in poverty and strife and alotta hard work like many bredren and sistren form abroad. Oregon is no California, there will be a very diverse crowd and MANY MANY MANY enlightened minds at this BLESSED event. Hope to see you all there.
BLESSINGS from YO MAMA!!!



Those that KNOW will be THERE
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 12:08AM
Is zwets on here?
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 12:35AM
This aint nothing new Adam.Since slavery my brother. If you white you right , if you brown, stick around, if you black get back. We have reverted. Things change to remain the same.



Ras Charles Jones
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 12:36AM
seen



Ras Charles Jones
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 12:43AM
African Americans did support Latin music in the 50's. I grew up listening to Puente, Joe Cuba as well as the Cadillacs and Moonglows. There weren't many whites, or any that I can remember that went to the Palladium or Riverside Plaza for a Salsa dance. It is in the interest of the powers that be for InI Jamaicans ,African Americans and all people of color to be divided. Even among Latinos color is an issue. Racism abounds even in the same family. Who has good or bad hair? Anyway, who feels it knows it. And Yes some people just dont get it.



Ras Charles Jones
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 01:09AM
The Ark Band welcomes all supporters of reggae music to our gigs and to be listeners of our music, whoever you are. give thanks for the positivity itinually.



one love one peace
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 02:05AM
i think its great that there is huge white intrest in reggae music.. if only Martin Luther King Jr woulda had the same effect.....
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 03:50AM
babywrong keeps the roots music from the black americans in fear of the truth that will be told, so in turn they feed the black youths of america gangsta rap in order to keep them blind about knowing LIGHT and that we are of the highest and oldest dynasty of creation....

i have noticed going to reggae shows and it being basically all white. white folks can feel the vibe, but they do not have the same issues or sub-conscious as a black child which in turn they really truly cannot relate to our issues. what babylon seeks isn't in the white child.

i have been to reggae shows were the whole crowd was black, and the music was rude-boy dancehall stylie...



We Are Creatures Of Love, and Victims Of Hate.
Ziggy Marley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:00AM
"babywrong keeps the roots music from the black americans"

you can't be serious...

Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:31AM
how many black youths do you know listen to reggae music chimino? and how many black youths do you know listen to rap music?
im black and 33 years of age and the majority of the folks i grew up with if not practically all of them listen to rap,hip-hopgangsta.

all the black youths i have known since my birth majorily listen to gangsta rap, and have no clue about the message of jah music. if they listened and understood the message of jah music the black community would be much stronger, prouder, and be able to see what lies ahead in the future.

i get young ghetto children all the time asking me "who is jah?" they have no clue because babylon is scared of the truth that will and must be told... all dem black american youths know is Bob Marley and he smokes alot of ganja...


and YES YES YES, babylon keeps the truth (roots music) from us. ever wonder why the majority of the crowds are white? well now you know...

went to marley fest the in LB. all white folks and young white folks. why doesn't the energies that hide in thier transparencies share music that is made for black folks? the transparent enrgies that live on our planet are scared of the light that roots music teaches and if black youths understand this light it is only a matter of time before another uprising and a crashing of another babylon system.

we need more black youths to understand the message and be interested, not have it clouded and covered up so we stay blind and easily made ignorant so the system can use us like puppets and dispose of us at will w/ it's wickedness.

babylon has been blocking/standing in front of our light for far to long. it's time that the light brakes through the darkness and reveals the truth to the black children of who we are in the i-neverse.

this world is so filled with irony it makes me disgusted to be apart of Earth's society at times..



We Are Creatures Of Love, and Victims Of Hate.
Ziggy Marley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:47AM
Not many at all, and I agree with you it's a sad circumstance. The fact remains, the option is there. Even if they only want hiphop, there's Dead Prez or Immortal Technique. Just as much culture as slackness & gun chat in dancehall reggae nowadays, so that's no excuse either.
Fact remains there are many more youths out there railing up for fuckery than knowledge peace & overstanding. Do I wish things were different, of course...but fact is fact and you can't blame babylon on this one. True Babylon's plan of divide & conquer is alive and well, but even when the option of righteousness is readily available most will still turn toward wickedness. The sad reality is greed and ubercapitalism has won.

White people in foreign favor reggae moreso than black Americans I think because, being outsiders to both forms of music, they are more willing to support one as the other. Black youths in America can more relate to the lyrics being stated by people who talk like them, rather than trying to decipher Jamaican patois or learn to bump to bashment riddim.
The irony (in additon to irony you've already stated) is bashment reggae is closer in rhythm to indiginous African music than hiphop, or old(traditional) reggae. But then black unity is still a faraway dream, is it not...

Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:01AM
Bless Mr. Olantunji.

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Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 08:09AM
Actually, in JA shows such as Western Consciousness and Rebel Salute carry such a profound contemporary roots vibe it would take away the breath of many on this board, and yes the audience is 99% black Jamaican, so again and again it is culture not race we talking here. And the American culture, and urban culture, now has
embraced the de-based current form of commercial rap. Chimino's analysis
is on the mark. Sorry, in regards to the idea there's a master conspiracy keeping
black youth from getting their heads into more than 'dirty ride', naahhh---or you could just say: We have met the Babylon and it IS us, so to speak. Here in St Louis,
nuff bling-bling inna Babylon to go around. After all, it's hard being a pimp....
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 11:20AM
when he says babylon keeps them blind to it. maybe that has to do with what is mass marketed brain washed to them on the tv screen, theater screen radio waves, print media, over and over and over very day. there is a marketing plan of what songs to push what videos they "let" on the air. What songs are in the heavy rotation playlist
and what songs videos and magazine photos/articles?? Pick up a hip hop magazine and look at the platinum fronts ads, turn on the radio booty boooty booty(bubba sparxxx) women singing i want a thug, naked videos with jewelry,
There is a definate corporate program out there to sell gold calfs to the youths from conglomerate media. its pervasive, it's gonna be hard to break through that and say here's some message music, some conscious vibes etc.. they have so much of the negative shoved down their ears and eyes daily. lil babies outfitted in 100. tims.
so when a few companies control the air and tv and wha they pump out is poison, i personally would say yes its babylon molding them. gotta go get the new jordans online before they come out so i can be the 1st in school to wear them for a week before they are played out.
just a thought. a
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 11:58AM
how much of positive reggae is actually played on the media?

not much really. and as a result there is a very low amount of live music that
is actually supported too.

the little positivity that is aired and played publicly is but a miniscule and insignificant almost non existent percentage.

the successes that occur are but a drop in the bucket so to speak. isloated
and hard to maintain.

one small way out here in the usa is to fervently support the local usabb
and whatever is on the radio etc. constantly, and ongoing works.

and we must cooperate and collaborate and become truly unified in the struggle
for reggae music.



one love one peace
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 01:55PM
"one small way out here in the usa is to fervently support the local usabb
and whatever is on the radio etc. constantly, and ongoing works."

Why limit it to just local usabb? Seems to me that, if you like 'positive reggae' you whould fervently support it REGARDLESS of whether it is us based or not...
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 02:24PM
NOVEMBER 1998 - in an effort to pinpoint and solidify the runnings of reggae bands based in the USA, we will be addressing the topic of usa based bands/USABB from herein.

i believe strongly that this USABB subject is one that will prove crucial in advancing reggae music in this huge country, geographic wise and population wise. i further believe that we in the usa can serve as a vital link in promoting inity among all reggae musicians (in fact all of the reggae massive) not only in the usa but all over the world. we are one among many but we are strong when we choose to unite and educate. - Roots-ee



one love one peace
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 02:36PM
It is not racist to want more black people to attend a concert dealing with racial issues


at NWWR there is also the opportunity for low income people to attend the festival through no profit booths.

if you know people who want to come but dont have the fund urge them to connect with a non profit organization and get together an informtaional booth
you can contact Doug@nwworldreggae or I, empresslove13@yahoo.com
about setting this up

thanks and more love
goes around everytime
lets not leave the people out
blessings
L



&quot;It takes a whole village to raise a child&quot; African Proverb
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 02:43PM
big up empresslove!!!!!!!!!!!



one love one peace
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 02:51PM
who is they???? i always read people saying they do this and they do that.. but who is they????.....there isn't no conspiracy to keep anyone from hearing anything or participating in anything.. i think the they is in them head. People listen to what they wanna listen to.. simple as that. Does anyone here think there is a board of people out there who's mission it is to keep black people outside the reggae shows? lol....The only challenges ive seen towards reggae music is from the anti-hate groups which complain about them chanting murder to other free peoples..i dont believe race has anything to do with that so it dont apply. all the talk of race just show's some are still caught up with skin color..
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 04:44PM
Great points Ras Adam, definately is some poison being pumped into the mainstream.
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:22PM
- the media doesn't create anything, the media provides what the people want. if it didn't sell, the media wouldn't have anything to do with it. so don't blame it on the media, blame it on the situation the youth are in that makes them want to accept the poison. too easy to say its not my fault (or their fault or your fault or whatever fault) and blame it on the media. sounds kinda like the rightwingnuts who blame the media for reporting their politrickal hanky-panky rather than blaming those who engage in the hanky-panky. do you really think that, if all of a sudden, reggae and rasta were promoted instead of rap & hiphop that kids would stop being ganstas and start living right??

Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:27PM
the gullible shall always be so...
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 05:29PM
there needs to be more joints lit up in the audiance so people can chill the fakk out winking smiley hey..look! there is a black man! i bet he will really love this tune... LMAO suckers
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:02PM
I think these artists need to stop whoring themselves out to the white devils of babylon.... or at least stop complaining about it tongue sticking out smiley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:03PM
Really when I go to JA its a dancehall thing,,,
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:23PM
Solutions anyone? I solution i vibe....Messengers can tour the Caribbean and Africa instead of focusing on the USA/European market. What do u propose?


www.VirginiaReggae.com
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:32PM
Ethiopian Eyes said -
"what babylon seeks isn't in the white child"

Hhmm ? "Babylon" picks and chooses ?
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:51PM
Hail up massive!
Solution:

Parents, teach your children right. Expose them to not just music, but all forms of art from as many cultures possible at a young age. This goes for all races, but especially we African Americans. We need to put an emphasis on African Roots Ancestry in our homes because the schools have it well twisted. African Americans are way too much like sheep in this time.

When we as parents, preachers and teachers take it upon ourselves to drive home a message of righteousness, love and an appreciation of our past and that of other races, our babies will grow up and attend not only the appropriate concerts, but will move in a more conscientious mode in all arenas.

Nothing will change it today, our youths too busy going hyphy-hyphy doo-doo dumb in the bay and it is our fault as parents.



Faith = Strength
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 12, 2006 06:58PM
Yes Lionheart . Good ta hear from ya man . True whatcha say but i think im feelin that new Too Short joint "Blow Tha Whistle" smiling smiley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 05:04AM
No, their probably isn't a "they" that sits around in a poorly lit room and plans on how to keep reggae music suppressed. And no we can't simply place all the blame on the media for getting us into the situation that we are in. But none the less here we are, so how did we get here. How did it come around that the youths idols are women with as little clothes as possible and men that flaunt their wealth at every corner. Are we to believe that this is simply human nature. That if left to do what they want all human societies would end up in this same situation. I, for one, don't believe this is the case. I believe that this is a learned behavior and if so where did people learn it from. From every where. The idea that money is the first and foremost important thing in our lives is something we are continuously taught from the time we are young. By the media, by the government, by other adults in our lives, and by our school system. I still remember my 7th grade math teacher telling me that if I didn't keep a portfolio of all my school work from that point on that I would never be able to get in to a good college and therefore could never get a good job. I'm not trying to find someone to take the blame and say we, as the every day people, aren't responsible. Quite the opposite in fact, I think we are all to blame for participating in this society, and as we have got ourselves into this mess I think we are the only ones who can get ourselves out. It seems pretty clear to me that the issues with which our government is concerned aren't any of the issues that we are talking about on this thread. Someone asked about solutions up there. I wish that it were as easy as voting in a new president, or congress passing a new bill, or everyone marching, or boycotting, or something like that but it's not. It took centuries of cultural evolution to get where we are today and it will probably take a long time to bring about any significant change. All of those things I mentioned will hopefully be pieces of the process, but none of them in and of themselves are going to fix everything. Well I guess I'm sort of dragging on here so I'll finish up. It seems to me that the best thing to do is what alot of us on here already do, speak against what you think is wrong, show support for what you think is right, try to live your life as positive and righteous as possiblile and hope that in doing so you will influence those around you to do the same.
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May 13, 2006 05:34AM




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Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 06:57AM
black/african children are the originators of human life. what babylon seeks is in us and that is Jah, him light, blue prints to life. we are millions of years old compared to europeans. euros are a new race of only 20000 years old, if they dont claim being neanderthals. which they don't. yes babylon chooses. look at the people and the living conditions of Norway compared to Sierra Leone... hell babylon chooses you as well....
babylon keeping the truth from the black youths (roots music) and feeding them pimpin, dope dealin and killin. all this is taught through the mediums

we are still very opressed, and will always be as long as babylon keeps searching for us in us or until the systems crashes...

they way of the world is if it given to a black child babylon will take it and make it thier own or dilute it into something other than it's originality. i mean jesus is white now,isreal/jerusalem is white now. modern day egyptians are middle-easterners, not Africans.greeks claim being the creators of geometry, and cosmology, and the list goes on... like the slave that drew the blueprints for the cotton gin and the white slave owner claiming it was his idea and got credit for it because anything a slave made the slave master owned.

babylon could easily push roots music on the black americans youths, but it chooses to puh gangsta rap because of the truth that this music will shed upon them..
every human on this planets mind is feeled with Artificail Intelligence (airplane to space shuttle in 60 years). we all have the same size brain, which in turn we should all be eqaul in power and strentgh, but they are not. black folks should be the smartest if that was the case because we are the oldest. more years to program the mind. babylon as so much hate for us, because it can't find us/creator of the black universe that houses bits of light... i mean Nigeria has some of the purest oil and the people are poor. 5th biggest supplier.wtf?

all in all if your not black, then you have no clue how are minds are made to act, the opression going on with in, or the rightiousness of who we really are that babylon fights to keep hidden from us...

great pshyciatrist that aren't black can't tell us whats wrong with us. it is the flawed system that is wrong with us...

only we now how we feel and soon come to find out why the degradation of black folks.

we can teach and push the message to the youth, but if babylon knows whats going to take place they will stray the mind in making the child think he/she is not interested. ET is a sick ****...



We Are Creatures Of Love, and Victims Of Hate.
Ziggy Marley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 07:06AM
"but fact is fact and you can't blame babylon on this one. True Babylon's plan of divide & conquer is alive and well, but even when the option of righteousness is readily available most will still turn toward wickedness."

what is it within the black youths that make them choose the wickedness? Babylon

and you can always blame babylon cause they are the ones created havoc and chaos within the minds of children. we are to easily controlled when we can't see jah light



We Are Creatures Of Love, and Victims Of Hate.
Ziggy Marley
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 03:22PM
well you can blame babylon.. this doesnt not mean.. that individuals do not have choice within themselves.. but chemicalized foods are marketed towards children and even if you dont let them watch TV at home. they have friends who tell them and marketing and TV creep into elementary schools and for surely high school and most definately college. university vampyres.

the evil is all around us. it is hard to escape and distinguish..
i have always been curious why more "black" people do not come towards the light of reggae.. i think it will be a good research project... i can do in my time

can you all help me with some very non offensive questions?? and i will start surveying people.. because maybe there is something reggae can do a little different to attract balanced crowds?



&quot;It takes a whole village to raise a child&quot; African Proverb
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 03:32PM
Ethiopian Eyes, it seems many choose to live in denial of the racial issues in this country.

For those who want to know who "they" are, I have a few examples:

* The corporate psychologist who aims the sugar cereals at my children by making sure they are put them on the bottom shelf at the supermarket...direct eye level with my toddler.

* The corporate media who denies Top 40 airplay to conscious hip hop artists like Spearhead and KRS1, and instead make the black youth think that Puffy and American Idol is reality.

* The overall white power structure of the Unites States, rooted deeply in the slavery of Africans, the denial of rights to African-Americans until reletively recently, the same power structure that put Native Peoples on reservations, etc.

* The CIA, who openly admited transporting cocaine to the inner city streets of L.A. during the 80's.

* The gonorhhia tests conducted in secret on poor black neighborhoods in the South in the 1950's that President Clinton publicly apologized for.

* The secret radioactive tests conducted on poor black neighborhoods that President Clinton also had to publicly apologize for.

Just a few off the top of my head, I could go on....

Peace

"At 21 the brother "Smooth" he got a record deal
been working hard been writin' songs about the things he feels
he says it's real, 'cause I got bills, but I got skills
my deck is stacked, if I could only get my @#$%& on wax
when it was ripe he took his tape up to the rec execs
they smoked cigars and rolled their eye's at him behind their specs
your @#$%& is phat but I don't hear it in the format Jack
what's all this black crap check page twenty one of your contract"

-Michael Franti/Spearhead



Post Edited (05-13-06 08:38)
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 06:32PM
...Mostly I agree with you J_72, but in regards to the cereal and the radio play you must realize that it is nothing more than simple economics: the psychologist has nothing to do with where the cereal is put, the market does that to make money, and with the radio "they" don't deny airplay at all, "they" just play music from the companies that pay the radio stations (clear channel). If you start sending millions to clearchannel and tell them you want KRS 1 they will play it, and if you tell the supermarket you will pay them to not carry that cereal they won't carry that cereal. Its all about dollars, not sense...



Respect Same Way
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 07:07PM
"Babylon" works hard for all our souls "Ethiopian Eyes" . Not just "Africans" . The beauty of creation is in all humans and living things on earth within our known dimension . The Luciferic force feeds on all negativity and fear from all races . This force you call "Babylon" has been working for tens of thousands of years on twisting all that is "love" and "positive" for creation . Nothin new man . Tha "African American"or "African" struggle is just what you relate to . Many "Races" of humans have struggled and been oppressed (sp?) for thousands of years in history . You have ta understand that "Babylon" wants us all brother . The "Satanic , luciferic , Reptilian, Blood drinking , Negative , force" does not discriminate ! Love for all , LOVE eternal ....
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 08:33PM
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Tha "African American"or "African" struggle is just what you relate to . Many "Races" of humans have struggled and been oppressed (sp?) for thousands of years in history

firstly, leggo the quotations marks, please.
secondly, no other people (except native american indians) have been continually and brutally oppressed as Africans and the African Diaspora. Anywhere you go in the world people with black skin are on the bottom rung, even in their own lands, and if you try to claim otherwise, it only proves you're an outsider trying to be part of something you're not (and embodying the continual example of dillusion 'Ethiopian' discussed)



Post Edited (05-13-06 13:33)
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 08:38PM
Ok .
Re: More Blacks in the Audience
May 13, 2006 09:53PM
Greets Tahoe

When I spoke of cereal, I had in mind the psychologist that works for the company, saying, "well, if we put these cereals down here, it implants messages in the brains of these kids...the same subconscious message that is played in the commercial they watched this morning during Sat. morning cartoons"

True story: I was watching a Sesame Street video with my daughter once. We both fell asleep and then I woke up. I looked at the movie and during Ernie's nightime song there blipped a message at the bottom of the screen "buy the soundtrack through RCA records" or something like that. It was real quick, subliminal, and if I wasn't half asleep (with my subconscious working) I probably wouldn't have even seen it, and the message would have been planted in my brain.

Subliminal advertising and messages are very prevalent in the commercial world, So that is what I had in mind with that statement.

Peace

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